Sunday, March 13, 2011

March 13,2011

I can't help but wonder...

Why has no one cared to check up on my grandparents??? Jerry and Sharon Sullivant?

Why is it, because my father is a pastor of a large church he is 'allowed' to yell and scream at HIS own parents just because they refuse to shun their grand-daughter?

1 Tim. 3:1,8

  1 - Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren.
  8 - But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Ephesians 6:2-3

2 - Honour they father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
3 - That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.


Why is it that my father, my mom, and their eldest son, are 'allowed' to send horrible and disrespectful emails/letters to my grandparents with no regard for their health and well-being?

Why was my grandmother unable to even look at one of her great-grandchildrens' face thru a glass storm door?
All because she and my grandpa still have contact with me?

THIS IS WRONG!!!


I have been compared to the prodigal son more times then I could even count.

Have you ever even read about the prodigal son?

Here's something to look up...

Luke 15:11-24

-- The ACTUAL prodigal son, asked for his inheritance from his father, and his father gave it to him.

-- The ACTUAL prodigal son, took that inheritance and wasted it on bad living.

-- The ACTUAL prodigal son, was so poor he had to eat the pigs' food in order to survive.

-- The ACTUAL prodigal son, realized that he had SINNED against his father in asking for his inheritance early and wasting it on crazy living.

-- The ACTUAL prodigal son's father was outside looking out for his son, and while he was still far away his father RAN and hugged him. (He had been waiting for his child to come home)

I have been told, that in order to have 'Family Restoration', I need to repent publicly both in writing and to the church.

How can I repent for telling the TRUTH?!?!?

I confronted my father in front of the deacons and Dr. Ray Dell (former president of the Canadian Baptist Bible College) Our meeting was to ONLY be between the two pastors that accompanied me, myself, and my parents. My father was the one that told the deacons and Dr.Dell to meet with us in his office at the church.
My father is the one that brought our FAMILY issues before the church.

My brothers say that I am full of lies, yet the only person that they will physically TALK to is their dad. They are just believing what one person says is the 'way it is', meanwhile they do not search out the truth.

I'm not expecting there to be a restoration of my family.
I know that sounds harsh, but the trust that I THOUGHT I had in my brothers and my mother has been almost totally destroyed.
They have chosen to be blinded, and I realize that outside of the Holy Spirit doing His work, they will not see the truth nor the error of their ways.

171 comments:

  1. Oh Laura my heart goes out to you . I have met your grandparents on a number of occasions. Pastor Dell used to be my pastor in Prince Albert. Worked in the Bible College as well. The College that was brought to Altona. I too wonder what happened to those funds, no accusations, just wondering. Mr . Sullivant please be the spiritual one here. God expects that from you seeing you put yourself there. Remember the Cooks rented our house . Do In need to say more.

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  2. Laura. I just want to tell you that I love you - along with the rest of your family that lives in the States. You are a wonderful wife and mother.
    What your parents have done to you and your Grandparents, Jerry and Sharon is so very wrong. Mike and Brenda are missing the most wonderful thing - that of getting to know their grandchildren who are so very pretty and intelligent. But, they are also missing the love of the wonderful woman you have become. They will definitely reap what they are sowing in the afterlife - and it will not be pleasant.

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  3. Rebecca "Elias" HarderMarch 13, 2011 at 8:56 PM

    Praying for all families affected by this abuse to realize truth for what it is. Thank-you for sharing your story, your courage amazes me! God bless.
    Rebecca

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  4. The prodigal son also realized the error of his ways and came back. So it's so terribly wrong for your father to "disrespect" his parents but you are allowed to do it? In a public forum no less? There couldn't be a greater double standard.

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  5. Ive been following this blog for a while now looking for anyone who was actually there when all this took place,or anyone who had witnessed anything regarding this situation first hand. I must say many looking to start their own battles but hardly any after the"REAL TRUTH'. Laura is after the truth and I have it all. I witnesses and "experienced" ALL, before, during, and after . Ive patientlly been waiting for Mike and his puppets to make things right for the last 12years. I KNOW what Laura is saying is the truth because I was on the inside and sad to say saw way more than many of you could even dream of . The time is near for all to be revealed. Remember Gods mercy endurith forever and He shares his HONOR AND PRAISE with no one amen

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  6. Hello Laura. This is a sad, sad story.
    I have a great respect for your father, but cannot understand how he could treat you and his parents in this fashion. It is a stumbling block for me. Who treats their parents and daughter this way?

    I was at PVBC this morning. You're father's sermon was about consequences. How our choices in life will have consequences for years to come; for our future generations.

    TO: Pastor Sullivant (I know you read this blog)
    I couldn't help but wonder if this disgraceful public blog is a consequence of your decision to shun your daughter.

    This morning you read Galatians 6:7-9
    "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
    For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
    And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not."

    But you failed to read verse 10.
    "As we have therefore opportunity, let us do GOOD unto all men, ESPECIALLY unto them who are of the household of faith."

    I would have enormous respect for you if you would admit that you have handled this situation wrong. It's not working is it?

    Laura was a young lady when this happened. What young ladies need more than anything is an earthly father that loves them unconditionally...just like our heavenly father. Shunning isn't love. I don't see Jesus in this decision.

    Jason (Laura's husband) described a conversation you had with her. You said Laura needed to be in a mental institution. Sometimes young adult girls are a little crazy and hormonal, it's true. But how much of her "mental issues" could have been fixed by a genuine, loving relationship with her father.

    You could have showed her some respect (to make some of her own decisions) and some love, by spending recreational time with her. I don't know of anyone who would feel loved by a "shunning".

    Could you admit that you failed, and this is a consequence of this decision? Your family is hurting because of this decision you made. I am confident that your congregation would be supportive beyond belief, if you humbled yourself and made things right with Laura.

    Forget about the wrongs she's done you. She's like a wounded deer. She's your daughter. I would love to see nothing more, than for you...Pastor Sullivant to make the first move. Embrace right now, for who she is and what she has become. Doesn't that sound like something Jesus would do?

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  7. Anon 8:11, if you contact bridgeisout@gmail.com, they would help you share your experiences on a separate blog without having to start your own.

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  8. Anonymous March 13, 9:07 PM

    Your comment let me know that you do not know Pastor Sullivant.

    1. How do you know that he reads this blog.
    2. The fact that seven out of eight children are serving the Lord, those are good consequences that come serving the Lord.
    3. He even preaches the whole council of God whether it is convenient or not. now that's a good pastor.
    4. Laura has done more then attack her father, she joined those that stole from the CBBC, tried to cause a church split and accused other church members of horrible things.
    5. Laura was so rebellious that she went and chose to live the life of fornication. Even though she joined all these so called "spirit filled" people that hated her father.
    6. Laura stated that she has forgiven her father. that is a LIE as these later entry's prove.
    7. Jason stated that Laura and him were living together when he met Michael Sullivant for the first time. no wonder he said that he did not approve.
    8. It sounds to me like you don't want Michael Sullivant fallow the biblical manner of restoration. We need to fallow the scriptures no matter what anyone's opinion is. (You would have heard that if you would have attended the Sunday night service)

    Do I need to go on? Laura has turned herself into a revenge filled person whose only drive in this is to try and get her father out of the ministry. that's all.
    I was there when it all happened. she was church disciplined according to the bible and should be treated as commanded.(shunned)

    Laura is living out the consequences of her lies and deceit not her fathers.

    some of you reading this should find out what the Bible says about church discipline.

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  9. My family also call me the "prodigal", blame everything on me, and play the victim. It's sickening. Fortunately they haven't turned on their parents...yet. (My dad already cut off his only brother and their family.) And they still go on pretending everything is fine.

    Anonymous@10:21: I hardly know what to say, except to reply to your points.

    1. How do you know he doesn't?

    2. In reality, good "consequences" would be if all his children served the Lord because THEY wanted to, not because it was "the thing" or whatever. Believe me, because I've been there. I'm still trying to separate what *I* believe and what I've been force fed my whole life.

    3. So does my dad...well, all except the part in the Bible where it says not to provoke your children.

    4. So basically, because she moved out, she has no credibility for anything, and because she "accused other church members of horrible things" it obviously means NOTHING ever went on and she couldn't possibly be right about ANYTHING. At least I think that's what you're saying.

    5. Lol, whatever the case, I bet it's a more loving relationship than what her father had with her. So she left the church and did something the church would say is reprehensible. There are so many things wrong with what you're trying to convey that I don't even think I'll say anything else.

    6. You know, forgiveness doesn't mean truth should be hidden. You can forgive someone, but still remember what they did and speak out against it. If you intentionally break my arm, and I forgive you, that still doesn't mean that it's not gonna hurt, or it's not gonna be there, or that I'm not going to warn other people that you go around intentionally breaking arms.

    7. So? Actually, nowhere does it say the parents need to approve of a young woman's intended. Besides, what would the church like to do about it now? Make them divorce?

    8. The only so-called "biblical method of restoration" remotely pertaining to fathers and children is the account of the prodigal son, in which the father welcomed back the son with open arms. I'm not comparing Laura to the prodigal son, obviously, but it sounds to me like you would want some kind of "discipline". Nowhere in the Bible do I even see that there is any case for a father to use "church discipline" or shun his son or daughter.

    No, I don't think you need to go on. Basically, you are like all the rest..."Laura is a bitter, angry woman (or revengeful as you call it) and therefore nobody should believe her." Speaking the truth is not wrong.

    And again, there is absolutely no biblical precedence for using "church discipline" on a son or daughter.

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  10. This is to the last posting on March 13, 10:21pm

    I am sad for you that you have written such hateful things to Laura...you cannot tell someone else how they should feel in this world and to write such judgement and condem her like that ......You are not GOD
    Mike Sullivant Sr. is first human worth no more than anyone else in this world. He will answer for what he has done and what he is doing. If you know your Bible it also says in Matthew 7 (right in the beginning) "Judge not, that ye be not judged"
    As far as knowing the Bible as a whole in context...you can interpret seperate verses to suit yourself in anyway, just like I posted. You have to take the good with the bad in the Bible...believe it as a whole not pick and choose what you want to use.
    In the most part what I have studied... what is through the whole Bible is taught LOVE for each other.
    Many people can lock themselves in seperate rooms and study the Bible and all come out with different meanings to some verses...that is why there are so many different Christian churchs in the world today....but they all have things in common and that is LOVE and Family..and we all will be judged by one that is GOD not man.
    I have posted one comment way earlier and stated that if anyone wants to discuss things in person to give me a call(if you are from our area you can find my number) and we will meet at Timmies and have a chat the offer still stands.

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  11. Recommend "The Prodigal God" by Timothy Keller. This man had two sons. One left and one stayed home, but they were both in the wrong. I'm still reading through it, but it is an excellent look at this parable put in the context of the pharisees (older son) and the common people (younger son) that Jesus told it to.

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  12. I wonder how things might have turned out had things been handled how my parents handled me during my rebellion. My parents are very religious, my father was even a pastor at one point in life, and they never ONCE shunned me for my rebellion. I dated someone they didn't approve of which they made verbally clear to me, but they did not forbid anything. I was only 16, but old enough in their opinion to make my own mistakes. My whole family prayed for me, loved me and remained in close contact during that time. As an adult I now see the error in my ways, but that was a choice I made and have lived with the consequences. Even now as an adult and the choices I made which resulted in a child conceived out of wedlock (we married before the child was born, have now had a second child and are happily married), they never ONCE turned their backs on me. My whole family prayed for me, talked with me, kept me close and let me know how much they still loved me. Now as I continue on in life, I'm seeking that closeness to God I had before my rebellion, wanting to raise my children in it and know I'm forgiven for my past sins. Had I been shunned, rebuked, not shown love by the people who meant the most to me in those times, I rather doubt I'd be seeking what I am. I'm sooo grateful for my parents eternal love and acceptance, even though I may not be the person they hoped I'd be, they love me anyways!

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  13. So what many are saying is: it's OK to live the way you please as long as you love each other.

    If you live like the world then how will the world now that Christ came to show us a difference?
    What does it mean to "come out from among them and be ye separate" ?

    Many say that Christ is all love, what about those that he judged in the New Testament? read 1 & 2 Corinthians and you'll see that the church is to keep itself pure and judge itself by the Scriptures not its feelings.

    Sorry Laura, but Elders in the Scriptures are Pastors. study it out and see if I'm wrong. If I'm not then you and all others that are bitter at your former pastor are in sin.
    Pastors get the blame for preaching against our sin, but truly we are telling God that our sin is more important then fallowing Him.

    We will all be JUDGED by the Word of God not on our feelings or sincerity.

    Remember Ephesians 6:12

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  14. Just a personal reflection here but from the stuff I have been reading the last few days, the only ones talking with "Christian love" intended are the ones supporting Laura.
    How come the negative responses (church members, I am sure) seem to be coming off more mean and vindictive...where is the Christian love in any of your comments...Think of what the non Christians reading are getting from your nasty responses...
    Boy aren't we all just a great representation of what a Christian should be. Slam, bash and repeat...
    Sad, very sad..
    Praying for you all that your eyes would be open and you would truly listen to what God is saying..

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  15. I'm just going to come right out and say why I think Laura's expected to give a public apology. I can't imagine P.S ever doing this, but at the time Laura left and for years that followed people everywhere were telling the story of how Laura was raped or molested by her father. Those were the stories. Those are some pretty harsh accusations, Laura. There's been a LOT said in this blog by you, by PVBC'ers and others. A lot of stuff that isn't getting anyone anywhere. I think this is where the truth needs to come out and be settled. If it's true he needs to be marked. If it's a lie you have some explaining to do.

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  16. Interesting that anonyme posters have to say so much.
    I had the priviledge to know 5 young ladies from this church and had to listen about his abuse as a pastor and how he enabled the parents to be abusive , all in the name of the Lord for 5 years. I am glad they confidet in me and that they are no longer members there. The word Cult comes to mind.
    I have no problem believing the bloggers account of events, as I have wittnessed
    the brain washing of members there. One day he will have to give account to his maker for all his abuse and abuse of power.

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  17. One commenter stated that "The only so-called "biblical method of restoration" remotely pertaining to fathers and children is the account of the prodigal son, in which the father welcomed back the son with open arms."
    The Bible has much to say about restoration. And where does it say that church discipline excludes family? Much of the passages on restoration and repentance is in the typology of the nation of Israel and God as well as in the minor prophet Hosea and his wife. But you are missing the point of the prodigal son account. Yes, the prodigal's change of heart is a picture for us of what true repentance should look like. Yes, the father who showed patience and love and delight with the return of his son is a picture of divine grace. But remember Jesus told this parable to the hostile Pharisees who resented the tax collectors and sinners who came to Jesus. These Pharisees tried to hide their carnal and fleshly indignation (and jealousy) behind a robe of religion. By Jesus telling this parable he revealed their true colors - namely their self-centeredness and unbelief.
    Maybe we should look at the elder brother in the story. Maybe he is the focal point. I think he represents the evil hypocrisy that the Pharisees showed.

    Laura, you said that you have been compared to the prodigal son more times than you can count. You are tired of being compared to the prodigal who was conscious of his own guilt yet stayed unrepentant for a long time. Perhaps we should then look at the elder brother. His attitude should be a warning. A warning of just how easily unbelief can masquerade as faithfulness. You say that you are telling the truth. Well, you can have your say. But remember that the mask we often seek to hide behind is ripped off in the presence of the Saviour and His Truth.

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  18. i have nothing to do with MS but i do know the bible says that we are too discern Gods word and that we are to be ,to study ,so that if a pastor is NOT teaching the word or living contrary to the Word that we are to approach Him and talk to Him about it. the Word is our guide not the man. i believe that is where the problem is with all this. it seems that people over and over are saying that they have tried to approach him and yet to no avail. i dont see where anyone has done anything but what Gods Word has told them to do. its just that this MS doesnt seem to be responsive to biblical authority, he seems (in my opinion) to be of his own authority.

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  19. For everyone following this blog we all have to ask ourselves why this blog ever started? Would Laura really start something like this up all out of hatred,revenge, or destruction of pvc. Or is there actually some truth behind all of this,possible more than what has ever been shared to many of you before. It really doesnt matter what religious philosphy,bible text,or man made knowledge anyone puts into this blog, the truth is still the truth and it WILL come out. I still say unless you where actually there when this all happened and where totally involved with this matter your input is INVAILED. As I stated before the truth WILL ALL come out soon. For those sceptics out there ask yourself this question if Laura was really the one in the wrong why was there so many other assit Pastors, Deacons, College teachers, sunday school teachers, dean of students, church planters ,etc .That have all left pvc for the same reason in the last 10-12 years. BRAINSTORM dah maybe there something fishy going on in that place. Heres another one for Ya to ponder on why are there so many family splits between families in the pvc. I would venture to say that most families in the pvc dont get together with all of their 'BLOOD' relatives. You see I can say all this because I know this first hand and have experienced it there first hand. Please spare me,Others and God all the greif of your preaching and text quoting we already know the scriptures SUPRISE P.V.C.ERS arent the only one who have bibles and know the scriptures. I have worked beside,together and with Mike and the rest of his PUPPETS for many a year and know way more about most of you than I probably should, but you can thank Mike for that, you see he has a problem with confidentuality . He always seemed to tell me more than I really needed to hear. Anyway thats just a tiny piece of what I have for You to chew on for now. Trust me I was really hoping that Mike would be a man of GOD and make things right,before to much gets exposed, And mike I KNOW your reading this so the balls in your court {do the right thing} and by this I dont mean hidding behind your decons{they cant save you anymore}. This has all gone on for way too long and it needs to stop, and trust me Ive just begun to share. There are people out there waiting for the TRUTH and I have it. MORE TO FOLLOW SOON.

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  20. To March 13, 10:21pm..
    You said after your 8th point that Laura got properly church disciplined and should be treated as commanded (shunned). What about reading your own Bible? I don't know of any spot where Jesus shunned anyone! He came to the earth not to destroy but to save the lost. I highly doubt shunning anyone would get them saved! And if they are already saved than perhaps we would all benefit from listening to God, the author of the Bible, when He says in Galations 6:1 - "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."
    Even if Laura was properly church disciplined we should still be trying to restore in the spirit of meekness. I'm not perfect by any means, but I am tired of people telling me who I should and should not talk to especially if they are saved! Saved people make mistakes too!! I know we're supposed to be seperated from the world, but Laura along with other ex-pvbc members ARE still saved whether they have been church disciplined or not! We need to have love for one another! Jesus cared and still does care about everyone and loves everyone! If He can love an unbeliever, as we all should, than why can't we even love our brothers and sisters in Christ?

    To the Sullivant family,

    I don't know the whole story here, but I think that all the siblings should at least be willing and able to get together and talk! I have heard the Pastor preach several times not to take up someone else's offences. If Laura has not offended her siblings directly, than why not talk to her? I'm not saying that the Pastor is a liar and I'm not saying that Laura is a liar, but I would suggest that all the Sullivant siblings take a word of advice...THERE IS ALWAYS 2 SIDES TO EVERY STORY!!..go seek the truth yourself.

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  21. 10:21. In regards to your comments about Laura's fornication. Although you yourself may be perfect, the next time you're at church take a look around you. How many of the couples there that you team up with kissed, held hands, made out, had sex, got pregnant, lived together before marriage? I would say MOST of them. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that you hold Laura to a much higher standard just because of who she is. It's not right that they lived together but MANY MANY people who've done the same thing have ended up okay in the end. Would you have been any stronger? Who exactly do you think you are? I would say that you don't know what grace is and you don't know what you're capable of.

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  22. To 11:20AM. WE WANT TO KNOW MORE. Us pvbc members know things are fishy. We only hear one side. Isn't it true? SO many people have left. Is this normal? Or is there a problem here. Let's not be blind followers of a man. Let's follow after TRUTH. Jesus is truth.

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  23. The amount of PVBCers that have fornicated are to many to count. Most got pregnant before marriage.

    Funny thing is, you PVBCers fellowship with them 3 times a week.

    And last I checked, a sin IS A SIN. So ... that little white lie you told, or that thing you stole, or that sinful thought you had is the SAME as doing the nasty with someone you're not married to. SIN is SIN.

    Jason & Laura repented for living in sin before marriage. God has forgiven their sins and separated it as far as the east is from the west. Perhaps you should try to do the same.

    To the guy who left the following 2 comments, March 13 @ 10:21pm & March 14 @ 9:27am it's "followed" not "fallowed".

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  24. Most got pregnant before marriage? The point is valid, but don't be ridiculous.

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  25. March 14, 1:51 PM

    So you are saying that you can bring up other peoples past sins but don't bring up Laura's past sins.

    because we all know that Laura is a "saint"
    we should all try to be like her. then and only then can we have a close walk with God.

    The day that Laura make things right with her father that is the only time she will ever be close to God. she is a spiritual murderer because she hates her brother in Christ. that means that she CAN'T have fellowship with God.

    What a holy person she is.

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  26. March 14, 2011 1:51 PM

    Here in Canada you dont have to spell properly as they cant fail you any more

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  27. Case in point:
    ...mous @ 2:38pm said,
    "The day that Laura make things right with her father that is the only time she will ever be close to God. she is a spiritual murderer because she hates her brother in Christ. that means that she CAN'T have fellowship with God."

    Plain and simple reading of Scripture leaves no room for a believer to be "not close to God". It just can't be. We are IN CHRIST and therefore CLOSE TO GOD. The only way to NOT BE CLOSE TO GOD is to NOT BE IN CHRIST.

    Crazy Baptists... can't lose your salvation, but you can feel the heat of hellfire anyway. Makes ZERO sense.

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  28. all I see is assumptions about Laura hating her father, hating someone and hating what they do/have done is very different.

    are we not to hate sin? is that not the issue here? that a man with SO MUCH sin in his life, a man continuing in that sin is still leading a church?

    YOU hate on Laura for past sin, and now for trying to tell people the TRUTH about what has happened and that is all ok?

    God is no respecter of persons. Mike's sins are still SIN and we see no repentance, how do y'all reason that away?

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  29. We the people of this republic demand that Laura fix her computer thinger that does not allow her to upload dirty evidence (ie. tuition receipts), and post all of the hateful emails that where sent to her grandparents from other parties involved in these dirty deeds. We need to see some dirt. We are hungry and need to be fed. Warning... all doers of dirty deeds shall be disciplined accordingly. Power to the people.

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  30. Not one person has proved anything against Mike Sullivant. you are a very wicked group of people.

    The Lord has no place in your lives. He may have saved your souls, but you are satanic in your attack.

    If God turned His back to Christ on the cross because of sin, then he has turned his back on Laura and all her Followers because of this hateful wickedness.

    You will all hang your heads at the judgment. There is no call for this evil wickedness. God is to be feared and worshiped and you think in some twisted way that he is pleased with all of this. GOD HAVE MERCY

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  31. If I regard iniquity in my heart, the LORD will not hear me:
    Psalms 66:18

    IF the LORD can't hear you, then I think that's a lack of fellowship.

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  32. if everyone first looked at there own problems there would be no writing on this wall or what i like to call gosip

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  33. Every time her stats seem to slide she posts something that will stir things up.

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  34. @1:51:

    So you are saying that you can bring up other peoples past sins but don't bring up Laura's past sins.

    No, I don't think anyone is saying that. What they are saying is, you shouldn't be singling her out, calling attention to her sins, while ignoring the stuff going on or that had gone on around you. You basically make the case that since Laura did something you think is so horrible, she can't speak about anyone else's sins. Meanwhile, you're being hypocritical about everyone else's sins. So predictable.

    @"God is the judge": Lol. I don't think we need God to judge us; we have you!

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  35. Church mouse 5:17PM
    God only requires 2 or 3 witnesses. There are now hundreds. The few that choose to speak up are working to warn others not yet caught in the trap to stay far, far away. Perhaps one day you'll recognize the truth. When you do, look me up.

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  36. Laura. Could you please continue your story? Perhaps share more detail? Most of us are simply here to find answers. I support you in telling your story.

    Were you physically abused?
    Were you sexually abused?
    Were you emotionally abused?
    Were you verbally abused?
    Have you always questioned your parents' beliefs or when did that start?
    Have you ever feared for you life at the hands of your parents or any Baptist church members?
    What other troubles/problems have you encountered with Baptist Church members?

    I think being completely open and honest about these things may help some people to see the light. Others may still call you a liar but that is between them and God. May God be their judge.

    Thanks.

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  37. God Is The Judge:

    All I want is answers. There are two sides here both throwing the sword (the word of God) at each other.

    Are you not wicked also when you call a fellow believer wicked?

    God does not turn His head away from His sheep, even when we sin and walk away from His good word for a time. Look at the parable of the lost sheep, the parable of the lost coin, and the parable of the prodigal son. HE (Jesus) never gives up on us, HE is always waiting for us to turn back to Him and He welcomes us back with open, loving hands.

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  38. I have always wondered about this as well.

    I've known at least 3 families who preach that children are supposed to obey, no questions asked, no matter how old they are.

    Ironically in ALL of these families the same people who demand no questions asked obedience from their adult children are not even on speaking terms with their children's grandparents.

    What does the Bible say?

    "Honour they father and mother" (Note that the word is honour and not obey.)

    You can't tell me that you are in any small way honouring your parents while refusing to speak to them.

    My heart goes out to MS's parents, this must cause them unspeakable pain for them.

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  39. FACT. If there is abuse in a home it is NEVER only one child that will be abused. There is no way that Pastor Sullivant would have abused only one child and the rest of the kids be ok with this. Let me remind you that the rest of the kids are happy serving the Lord.

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  40. Why are some people so sure that they know if someone is happy, right with God, living in sin, etc? Since when do fallible humans know the condition of someone else's heart?

    These assumptions need to stop.

    I also agree with what 123 said.

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  41. mous 9:56AM
    Can you cite a reference for said "FACT"? I've never seen that study.

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  42. March 14th, 2011 9:56PM:

    Can you please cite how that is a fact? Since each child is an individual, it is natural that they are treated individually and not as one large entity. There are many examples of children who were severely abused while the rest of the children did not have that experience. A book you should check out is "A Child Called It".

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  43. @9:56 -- #1. If you mean sexual abuse, actually, yes, sometimes only one child is abused. I know of a family where the stepdad didn't like the oldest daughter, and abused only her, not his own children. I know of another family where one son was sexually abused by the grandfather, and none of the other children were.

    #2. With emotional/spiritual/psychological abuse, you fail to realize that children are so brainwashed and so used to it that they don't even know they are being abused. If my siblings heard I claim to be abused, they would be shocked. They wouldn't realize it until it was pointed out.

    Just thought I'd clarify your "fact".

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  44. RE:March 14 9;56 One should be very careful with a powerful word like"NEVER". Im not sure where you get all your info from, sounds to me like you need to go a little more in depth with your studies on abuse, In most cases where abuse is present it effects and/or involves more than just one victim,however research does show that there are cases where only one family memeber is a victim of this act. Im not saying this actually took place but whose to really know that his other children or possible other church goers {past or present} havent ever encountered this same kind of treatment. Just because someone is faithfully serving the Lord doesnt prove anything, They may be hurting deep inside but are to scared,ashamed, or imbarressed to talk about it or confide such info to anyone. It obviously took Laura a long time to come out with all the info she has given out so far and I can only imagine that its not easy for her to do this nomatter what anyone thinks. Maybe we should all ask ourselves what would we do if it happened to us and then what would God want us to do about it . Bashing each other will get you all nowhere, however DEALING with the problem at hand needs to be done ,and thats what I love about God; His light shines bright to expose all darkness and sin so that all is revealed. Maybe everyone should make sure that whatever they believe is honestly the truth and not just look to be heros.Trust me thers no prize for the winner GOD SHARES HIS GLORY WITH NO ONE.

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  45. http://pembinaandfirst.blogspot.com/

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  46. anonymous @ 6:47

    No, I do not agree with your statement "since rebellion is a heart issue, than you can alter that persons behavioral patterns through exterior means such as nitro heart pills?""... so what are you saying anyways? you should not be allowed to type! Ever. Please go and review your facts and gather more evidence before you attempt logical debate.

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  47. anon, 8:44

    who are you talking to? and what does nitro pills have to do with rebellion?

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  48. I can't help but wonder WHY no one is listening to this little girl, out in the wilderness of life with miserable comforters...who just...can't...get...over...themselves. Life is about her and only her and what she has gone through:( But through it all she has shown love and concern...for herself. Oh, but oh she has shown unconditional love, she will always love herself. Why is no one listening to this little teenager crying for help...oh wait, she's an adult.

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  49. Laura you say that the trust that you thought you had in your mom and brothers has almost been totally destroyed. Could it be that what you have done has destroyed that trust? Could it be that you have allowed satan to blind you? Just asking.

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  50. Laura, I wholeheartedly believe that your family can be restored! Absolutely! Please do not despair; keep on believing. Tell God that you are trusting Him for restoration. Tell Him that you are willing to listen and to do what He requires on your part for this to happen. Claim specific scriptures that He will reveal to you as promises, and recite them - out loud - and the devil will scram! He cannot bear to be in the presence of God's Word, we know that!

    Pray daily for each individual in your family - it will help to develop a very genuine love for each of them, and a desire for God's best for them. Pray especially that God will give you a love for your father. You have already forgiven him and that's great. I'm sure, though, that the devil is doing his best to stir that up every day in order to have you harbour resentment again. Keep on forgiving your father each day. Showing forgiveness to the person who has offended you is more difficult than stating that you have forgiven, so when you have the opportunity to show him love, do so, in whatever small way it is possible. This will be the most difficult, but I'm sure that many of your readers are praying for you, so keep listening to the Holy Spirit. Though difficult it may be...it will be SO rewarding! I get excited just writing this, knowing that God, who has equipped us with His Holy Spirit, can make this ALL possible!! We can not do this on our own, but the Holy Spirit can do this for us! Praise the Lord! It's hard to fathom, but the Lord says...trust ME!

    As for what your father needs to do...that also in the hands of the Lord. Let's keep on praying for God to work a miracle in his life. Let's be kind, respectful and gentle in spite of all the hurt. No doubt, he is also hurting very much, feels the weight of what he has done and just can't come to the place of repentance yet. It is difficult for many men (and women) to say, "I'm sorry". God has given men an ego (which is something He deemed necessary) but that very thing is also often their stumbling block in making a redemptive move. However, because God created him this way, He also made a way for forgiveness to still happen; same as for everyone else. We all have our prideful areas, but Jesus died to save us all from our sins! Yes, all can be forgiven...for every one in every family that is dysfunctional. Consequences will always be present but God still has provided for restoration.

    I have no doubt that your father is really struggling and has much inner conflict (has had for many years) and so, keep on praying, ask God for much patience and a forgiving, generous heart. I am praying for your father and your family - daily. I don't know you at all, nor your family, but I love you all already...as Christians we are all one family, and I am burdened to bring you all before the Lord. I anticipate with joy what the Lord is going to do for you! Someday, your children will be sitting on their Grandpa's lap and say, "I love you, Grandpa! You are so wonderful!", and you will stand by and smile...weary maybe, but so happy that you were faithful and kept on trusting for this miracle! May God give you much faith!

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  51. Come on people,

    haven't you heard that doctrine doesn't matter as long as you feel good about what you believe. I believe that if people got rid of the bible then no one would dislike me.

    I am sure that how I feel is more important then what God said.

    Isn't that right Laura?

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  52. I'm sure your bible has nothing to do with the reason that people dislike you. I think it may have something to do with your sarcastic condescending attitude towards Laura and most likely many others.

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  53. What an encouraging comment on March 17 9:28 a.m. It even encouraged me with the struggles in my own life. I hope it is an ecouragement to us all despite what our opinions of the situation are. I think it is a good approach to all of this. Maybe not the approach we as humans want but it seems like a godly approach.

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  54. Please listen to yourselves PVBC'ers! The Christlike attitudes are coming from everyone else on here but you, and that's not right. Listen to the hostility, negativity and anger coming through in the comments. Something you're not even aware of 'cause you're used to it is how you're so trained to come at every situation from a negative and judgmental point of view. Whether it's a place, a song, a movie, a family gathering, a haircut, something someone's going through, or the clothing people wear the first instinct is to scan them for flaws and look down on them. Try seeing the beauty in things instead of the evil. If you don't like her outfit see if the color is right for her. Just stop!! Try considering that other people outside your box may also have a valid point and may also love God and want to serve Him just as much as you think you do. Yes, there are times that hard stands need to be taken, but not in EVERY single area of life. Stop trying to be right about everything and start loving people as well.

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  55. PVBC'ers and ex-PVBC'ers are ALL clearly messed up!!! common denominator=PMS.

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  56. So just a random comment. i know not everyone on here will agree to this but hear me through. I did not grow up in a baptist church i did not grow up with the belief that the KJV was the bible to read. I did not grow up in a house where there was standards. all of this till i was 15 at an age where by we all question authority and to be very honest at that age i was not willing to agree that any of that would be for my good. but being 28 now and looking back to my highschool friends im glad that i accepted these standards. i dont know where i would be today without PVBC and im thankful for the person that i am today because of it too. this is just my ramblings and in case anyone is wondering im still waiting for the proof i was promised almost 6 weeks ago on this blog. and again i will post in case of memory loss my email is gtjay2@gmail.com and my ph # is 362-2907. thanks for reading.
    Jason

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  57. Sara says... Only one life will soon be past, only whats done for CHRIST will last.I will be forever gratefull for PVBC and for Pastor Sullivant. I love the teaching we receive as everything is backed by scripture. I thank the LORD each day for leading me there.I have been employed by the church and college for 12 years now. I give God the honer and glory for all that has been done in and through my life. PVBC has been influential in my children in serving the Lord.

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  58. @Jason and Sara,

    I agree that there are a lot of good things about PVBC. Too many churches around here are "feel good" or liberal in their thinking, and to someone who wants to be discerning it is difficult to find a church where there is nothing "wrong" with the teaching.

    That said, there is a strong emphasis on "standards" at PVBC. Following these standards WILL keep a person out of trouble, but they are unnecessary burdens if they are not found in the Bible. I fear that the "moralism" being taught is often substituted for the gospel. The point is not to "do right". Like Paul, I don't want my own righteousness, I want Christ's.

    Phil. 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith.

    Pastor Sullivant has said that legalism is adding works to salvation. What about adding our own works to sanctification? Why do we need "standards" when the Bible is pretty clear about what is sin and what is left to our discretion? If the Holy Spirit in us can't keep us on track, standards CANNOT "keep us holy". Besides, when do you stop adding standards, because you could always be more careful than you are right now, right? God doesn't need our help.

    With what I suspect are false conversions happening all of the time (due to emotionalism or trying to impress people), obviously the standards are needed because the Holy Spirit is not present in a "false brother". I personally believe that the man-centered goal of trying to make converts at any cost (by this I mean emotional appeals to "make the decision") is what brings in the requirement of extra-biblical standards. Look at the ministry of Charles Finney, who admitted that most of his converts ended up "backsliding". God's converts are kept holy by Him. Man's converts need extra-biblical standards.

    When Baptists look beyond Baptist teachers and their teaching, find a solid Bible teacher and search the Scriptures to see whether those things are so, maturity will occur. You can't know what you don't know until you come to know it.

    Nick

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  59. Nick,

    Sorry but the Baptist church does not preach that standards are a part of sanctification.

    Lets say a woman dressed like a prostitute every time she came to your home, do you think that you are spiritual enough to keep your thoughts right?

    Standard are in place to keep us from stumbling not to keep us sanctified.

    that is what is preached.

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  60. 11:46...and of course every woman that doesn't wear a jean skirt and runners would be classified as a prostitute..why do you have to be so extreme?

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  61. anon 11:46

    Hosea married a prostitute. God told him to. Think about it.

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  62. Women should dress modestly and keep men in mind when deciding what to wear, but something that you'll never hear at PVBC is that if a man wants to see something, or think something, he's going to do it regardless of what a woman is wearing. This is something you'll never understand when the only place you visit is the church.

    And yes, they do preach that standards are a part of sanctification. Sanctification means 'set apart' and they wholly believe that in order to be different than the world and "appear" Christian you must look a certain way. Who are you trying to kid? Maybe you haven't been there long enough to know this.

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  63. To PVBC prostitute = every woman that wears pants.

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  64. @ Anonymous - 11:46 AM

    I'm a little confused. The woman who is dressed like a prostitute is by definition not a Christian. Are you saying that the “prostitute” should live up to my standards so that I don’t sin?

    And I don’t know how many times Pastor Sullivant has said “standards don’t MAKE you holy, they help KEEP you holy”. Holy = Sanctified, it’s the same Greek word. PVBC members have quoted this to me while discussing this very issue, so obviously this IS what is taught. But look what the BIBLE says:

    Jude 1:24-25 “Now unto HIM that is able to keep you from falling (ie. stumbling), and to present you FAULTLESS (do your standards keep you faultless? Because that’s what God requires…) before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
    To the only wise GOD OUR SAVIOUR (not our effort or standards), be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

    That may sound like I'm being argumentative, but sometimes we need a jolt to get us to think biblically. We really do need the righteousness of Christ. Think about it...

    Nick

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  65. What saith the Scriptures?March 18, 2011 at 5:00 PM

    Romans 5-8 (6:1,2,15; 8:12,13)

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  66. Just to repeat what Mar18th 12:13pm said:

    "...if a man wants to see something, or think something, he's going to do it regardless of what a woman is wearing."

    This is so true. I can remember on several occasions being given the "Once over" while wearing the most modest of clothing by men in that church. ...Even by some in leadership. YUCK! I feel dirty just thinking about it. Maybe preaching against porn more often may help more than enforcing standards so vehemently. ...Just a thought.

    Some men think filthy no matter what because of what they continuously put infront of their eyes.

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  67. What saith the Scriptures?
    Why do you ignore Romans 6:3-14? There's powerful truth there?

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  68. 2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

    "SEEING and HEARING"- both words denote reaction ie. saw something...heard something! Could it have been a lewd woman in Sodom and Gomorrah?

    Or what about this guy?
    2Sa 12:7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
    2Sa 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
    2Sa 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

    "DESPISED THE COMMANDMENT OF THE LORD,TO DO EVIL"(referencing David in the preceding verses)

    Old righteous David, killer of bears, lions, giants and Uriahs could not kill his own lust and passions. Somebody did not tell him about Nicks ideals.

    Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures,


    Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

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  69. Nick ...I do not believe that standards will save me.Christ finished that when He died on the cross.There is nothing that i can do to save myself. When i accepted Christ as my Saviour at the age of 16 that was all that was needed.Now though I want to be an example for others to follow. I need to be the best example that i can be. If you would go and fill out a job app. at Tim Horton you would be given a paper with their expectation and standards for working there. I believe that Christ did so much for me that i want to walk in such a way that my life is above reproach.I never want to be a stumbling block to anyone. Standers are just a guide line for me to follow.

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  70. To March 18, 11:46 --
    Did it ever occur to you that you can't keep your thoughts right because you are told so often that you won't?

    Let's get really Biblical here and you men can all wear robes, tunics and sandals, just like the women. Quit blaming the women for a man's lustful thoughts. There is much more to seductiveness than just clothing. Read in Proverbs about how the hoar uses her eyes. Perhaps a holy standard would be sunglasses for the women and no more suits for the men, because we all know that a woman just loves a man in uniform.

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  71. 9:15..That is exactly right! They are SO worried that a woman of the world will walk into church and distract them from a message but I think it's way more than that. I'm not excusing immodest clothing but if you're so insecure in yourself or your partner, and afraid of what they'll see I'd suggest you build a bubble around your home and never leave to go to work, or shop, or anything, 'cause we all know you're much too weak to look the other way or see the person as a soul instead of a piece of meat.

    Nick's comments about us expecting the prostitute to live up to our standards so we don't sin was a great point as well.

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  72. @ 7:18

    It's wonderful you have a clear testimony but your answers are so polished, rehearsed and boxed. When you wear your skirt to every single activity from weddings to pumping gas you ARE being a stumbling block. People look at you and are afraid that if they attended your church they'd be forced to look as goofy and inappropriate for the occasion as you do. Sorry, but that's the real truth of the matter.

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  73. I guess if you really need a bunch of people (and by people I mean men) telling you what you need to wear, then by all means I hope your choice of church really helps you in that department. I am all for women everywhere living life the way they want to. But, it would be super if the members of PVBC could keep their head to toe clothing rules to themselves. If I choose to wear makeup, pants or skirts that are above my knee, that is my business. If you have a problem with it, you control your own eyes and not me. Look away! It seems to me that many churches in this area have a fear of what could happen if women were given the ability to have equality and the ability to think freely. In the church I was raised, women are able to be pastors. Our operating belief was for everyone to come as they are. We accepted everyone with open arms. I cannot imagine what it would be like to be raised in an environment so restrictive. But you are free now, Laura, so speak your truth!

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  74. Hi Time to grow up,

    Where do I start? For one, maybe try to stay on topic if you’re going to address something I posted.

    Two, you said, “Could it have been a lewd woman in Sodom and Gomorrah?” I didn’t say anything about lewd women, I mentioned EXTRA-BIBLICAL standards. Also, does the Bible actually say anything about a lewd woman? Or did you get direct revelation from God for this insight? What you did is called “eisegesis”, or reading something into the text. What should be happening is “exegesis”, or drawing out of the text.

    Three, if you take the time to re-read what I typed, you will see that I am not condoning what the Bible calls sin. Again, it’s the EXTRA-BIBLICAL standards that are the problem. You are making my point when you say “Old righteous David, killer of bears, lions, giants and Uriahs could not kill his own lust and passions.” I agree. If David, who did the things you mentioned, and wrote portions of the Bible, and was called a man after God’s own heart, could not kill his own lust and passions, are you going to do better? If we could, Jesus would not have had to die.

    Try this: Come up with at least 5 “standards” for EVERY sin you can think of. Then do your VERY BEST to keep not only from sinning, but to keep all of the extra standards you came up with. For now, we’ll just forget about any past sins you have committed. Now remember, try very hard, because James 2:10 says “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”

    OK, times up, you’re dead. How did you do?

    Matt. 22:37-39 “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

    1 Pet. 1:15-16 “But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.”

    Did you make it? Were you holy like HE is holy? Are you sure you loved the Lord with ALL your heart, soul, and mind? I couldn’t make it no matter how many standards, or how hard I tried. Nor could David. Nor can you. We really DO need Christ’s righteousness. Ours is like filthy rags.

    Gal. 3:3 “Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?”

    Jesus said to the scribes and Pharisees in Matt. 23:15 “ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.” Read Matthew 23. This is what Jesus thinks of making extra rules and trying to establish our own righteousness by them. Follow the Bible and you will be fine.

    Just to be perfectly clear: What the Bible calls sin is sin. I’m not saying we have license to sin. But the line is where the Bible draws it. If you are saved, the Holy Spirit can do a much better job of keeping you in line than you can. If you are saved, you will still sin, but your desire will be to obey. If you do sin, confess it and thank God for His perfect, finished work! You might even experience some joy!

    Nick

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  75. I agree so what if a man is lusting after me in a skirt? Then what should i wear?

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  76. March 18, 2011 9:52 PM

    1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

    did you get that? Shamefacedness!! Well i guess you can wear or not wear anything below your neck line because your face is obviously above your neck (if you are anatomically correct). Lets let all the miniskirt wearing harlots dictate what it means to be dressed in all modesty! God does not get the say anymore-- the lady libers do. BTW, who was your pastor's wife?

    1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

    That would be a sight to see! Fly away Laura, be free!

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  77. Just to clarify i didnt say anything about me putting away my dress so im not sure how people got that at all. so lets run at this a different direction, what i was meaning is as a 15yr old i was on the bubble fully agreeing with the world view of "if it feels good do it". now as i look back if i didnt set out in my life that not everything in moderation is good for me. as a cousin of mine suggested at a recent family affair sitting around the table. he stated that all tings in this life should be experienced in moderation, to witch another cousin suggested as a point of rebuttal "this is why i will be doing cocaine in small quantities". Now yes that is a extreme example but what i am trying to say is im happy with my life and i dont need "performance enhancers" what ever that next high is to enjoy it and that is because of wanting standards in my life. any questions the email is gtjay2@gmail.com and the ph# 362-2907
    Thanks
    Jason

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  78. Floozy, you are a disgrace. For 2 main reasons. 1. Laura never said anything about women preachers or wearing mini skirts, someone else did! and 2. What if your bible whipping was the first time this person ever saw those verses?

    Absolutely disgusting behavior by people who think they know everything. YOU KNOW NOTHING!

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  79. Floozy, Floozy....

    So if ladies wearing miniskirts are harlots should we assume that women dressed in skirts below their knees are spinsters? That's just silly, right? Even the lady libers can be spiritual and it is not up to you to judge them. The bible was written during a different time when women were little more than property. Why pick a few verses to live by when there are other obvious aspects of the bible which are there as a result of the timeframe the bible was written.

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  80. I am a disgrace..... for showing you out of the Bible what you obviously don't like to see! God says put clothes on! You decide if you want to follow! Government politicians set forth rules saying you gotta wear clothes or else you will be guilty of indecent exposure! You have no choice and you willingly obey.
    Votes are in: God = 0, Man = 1
    You call us legalistic or extrabiblical ha ha ha.

    If this is in fact the first time this person saw these verses about women preachers,than maybe wherever they attended didn't preach the whole counsel of God and this blog has some purpose afterall.

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  81. How come this one man is so powerful, for example stopping his parents from seeing their great-grandchild, or getting away with yelling at them?? Is there no one who can stand up to him? We all have rights, not just him. Can nothing be done, except hurl around words on this blog? Prayer is good, but how about an action plan?

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  82. How about you all that want answers stop gossiping, spreading lies and slander and go to the source of your questions. Isn't that the way the Bible says is the way to go? Oh, perhaps you are all enjoying this too much to care about what the Bible says.

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  83. The accusation of anon. 1:09 seems unfounded.
    We care very much about what the Bible says. And many great Words from God's Book have been quoted here, which, if taken to heart, could result in LOVE.

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  84. Besides caring about what the Bible says, we also care about the people God created. When one goes astray, we go out of our way to find them, love them, and nurture them. That is God's way. We do not throw them out and shun them, wishing evil on them. That is Satan's way. -me

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  85. Floozy, you're a disgrace because of the mean spirit behind what you're saying, not the words or the verses. I have no problem with what the bible says about modesty, I have a problem with how you and your friends have no tact and are full of "righteous" hate. I hold to very similar standards that you do but if you keep talking I think I'll have no choice but to run up and down the streets of Winkler stark naked.

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  86. Out of NoWhere; Sometimes we as humans can be such a pathetic and apathetic lot. When the need is recognised that we need a larger Church building it doesn't take long and everyone anti's up,some in sweat equity some in cash and the job gets done. Then we rightfully turn around and say that God built the Church and so it should be. Now when it is recognised that there is a RAT in the Church,instead of catching and disposing of it we instead all say,Lets pray about it,and we pray pray and pray somemore and the RAT does not leave.Well maybe getting rid of the Rat should be approached in the same manner as building the Church,DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.There are people out there that supported and enabled the Rat whose testimony would go a long way toward evicting the Rat. There are a lot of people out there that are carrying a heavy burden,you know what went on and what is going on and I would suggest that the heavy burden you carry is because you have done nothing when you know you could of.God open your eyes to what was happening,the next step is up to you,DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

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  87. Oh, I am a disgrace and very mean spirited for quoting what God has to say on your lame bablings that would never even come up if you would read your Bible, seek God's face and turn from your wicked ways! Blah blah. Everyone on here can cry about our ladies looking like ladies (insert God's verse on modesty here) instead of emulating the worlds system. Grow up. Do not run around naked cause the cops will enforce their man made standards on you and what can I say about being a disgrace? I am a floozy afterall!

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  88. If PVBC women want to wear skirts 24/7 that's up to them, but it doesn't give them the right to look down on everyone else who doesn't. I hate the way so many Laura haters/PVBC members have one recipe and method for every situation. The Bible is the only truth and has the answers for everyone but what is so grossly overlooked is that people come from different backgrounds, different situations, different religions, rich, poor, smart, not smart, some have experienced abuse etc. Then someone like Floozy comes along and ram crams their infinite wisdom down someone's throat. The only way you can be so insensitive is if you think you've arrived. Instead of enlightening us, spend some time reading about what grace is. I hope P. Sullivant reads this blog so he can see what kind of little monsters he has in his congregation.

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  89. Sorry, Floozy. I forgot to mention that you're not only a disgrace, you're also an arrogant jerk and because of that no one cares about what you have to say, bible or not. Even P.S. has said many times, that if someone doesn't like you they won't listen to what you have to say, and I don't like you.

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  90. I agree with March 19 4:51pm good points. If people need man made standards made to ADD to God's GRACE-I feel sad for them, for me His grace is Sufficient. However, if YOU need it, please don't look down on others who don't. We all do come from different backgrounds,we're all at different stages in our understanding and walk with God. I've stood in the grocery store beside PVBC's and have friends who've joined PVBC and they DO look down their nose at the rest of us, like they have some divine knowledge. I's sadly a very ineffective way to witness so the very message they're trying to give is sooo grossly distorted, and the saddest part is they're too blind, or wrapped up in their legalistic world to see it.

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  91. I love the fact that if you wear a skirt you're automatically a Baptist, that shows the rational of many.

    What about all the Mennonites that wear skirts or the Germans that live in the area. Are they all in bondage? This proves that we are being judged by our outward appearance, so if that is the case then why can't I judge someone by their appearance?

    I think that if a woman does not want to be labeled as something then she should not dress that way. If you want to be labeled as a conservative you should look and live accordingly. If you want to look like the world then don't be surprised if people call you a child of this world.(I don't want to be marked as "of this world")

    Standards are not wrong as long as they don't violate scripture. But for some reason people make the standards their battle not SIN. A church without standards or rules is like a country without a government. Everyone does that which is right in their own eyes,(we all know how God dealt with them.)
    One day God will come back and judge all mankind I wonder if He would be pleased with all that liberal Christianity has done to those that are trying to live separate from the world. I hear about Love an awful lot on this blog, but I don't see Christ. I don't think He would be pleased with very many "Christians" as there is no difference between them and the lost of this world.

    Christ gave us Himself as the Example.
    He made a way for salvation, but gave man a choice to accept Him as there Savior. But we still have to come to Christ on His terms not ours. GOD made the rules, now that is true LOVE.

    We that call ourselves Christians are now trying to live like the world, look like the world and sound like the world. I don't think that this is "coming out or being separate." We need to show the world that Christ makes a difference in every part of our lives. If we keep this in mind then I don't think that standards or rules will be such a big deal.

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  92. "Be ye separate" needs to identify him/herself. Your comment is mostly good, and if you're a Baptist, you could be a good friend, unlike most of the others from your camp who have commented.

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  93. When it comes right down to the body of Christ will probably never be in perfect agreement about the finer points of faith until we get to heaven.
    You may choose to wear a skirt, I may not.
    You may believe in baptizing via sprinkling but I don't.
    You may believe that God no longer performs miracles I do. etc. etc. etc.
    What we need to decide is what is REALLY worth fighting and splitting churches over? And if it's not worth splitting churches over, is it worth ostracizing people? Is it worth hurting them?
    Man looks on the outer appearance, but God looks on the inner. We are all a work in progress and just because someone may not be as far along (or perhaps we are not as far along) does not give us reason to look down our nose at them.
    Php 2:3 says "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves."
    Can you honestly say that you are treating the person who posted just above you or just below you as if they are better then you?

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  94. God's Commandments are wonderful. They are not sorrowful. Make sure to read Jeremiah 6:16, blatant rebellion.

    New Testament

    Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

    Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the
    Lord blameless.

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

    1Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

    1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    1John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

    1John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

    1John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

    1John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    2John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

    Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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  95. Opening my eyes: I try to follow along with this blog because im searching for the truth. Attendinding PVBC Ive always looked for the truth in all areas of life and church wanting Gods will in my life and for my life. Ive see many questionable things happening in and outside the church for a long time now,but only now come out to present them publicly. I see much hurt and anger between many people and wonder where this all started up. I know well what gets taught at PVBC and also see what is preached and what is lived out. I think there are many out there who want to destroy the Church and it makes me wonder why? What is the real root of the problem here. I heard many stories, some true some questionable ,but i would love to know more of the truth behind PMS and what he is really like{I mean when hes not at church and what goes on behind closed doors{ I wish for People who where there at Laura time frame to speak out and reveal what they know. The lord has lead me to believe that there more to all this than what I may already know. I know that many former PVBCers have info about all this and wonder if that is why they left or where asked to leave or where church disciplined. If any of you are reading this could you please coment on your expreience at PVBC. I would especially like to hear more from the person who said he has worked with Pastor Mike for many years {or something to that effect} I would like to know why former teachers,deacons,etc ever left, or what is the real story. Please comment so that me and others searhing for the truth can honestly know whats going on around here. I want this to be a God made church not a manmade enterprise which seems to be happening and thats why i want the truth

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  96. 11:24

    I used to attend the church and haven't shared any details about why I left. And after seeing how the church members treat Laura and everyone else who has an opinion that differs at all from that which is taught at the church I would never disclose any information on here and I'm sure others in my situation feel the same way.

    I'd encourage you to rather seek out the people who've left privately and ask them to share their stories with you that way instead.

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  97. The attitudes of the people here who through their comments have indicated that they are dedicated church goers really shines the light on the reason I have not stepped foot in any church since I turned 18 and refuse to support any through my donations even indirectly. This "holier than thou" attitude is disgusting.

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  98. I appreciate PR’s comment regarding keeping God’s commandments. There’s so much to be said in the word of God about this. A desire to please the Lord and keep his commandments is a natural result of being saved!

    I want to keep the Lord’s commandments in my daily life. I want the BIBLE is my sole rule for faith and practice. I don’t want to look at the traditions of mankind through the ages, or the teachings of a church, or the convictions of a friend. I want to see what the BIBLE says about how to live. That can be hard to do sometimes, because… “The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.” Proverbs 29:25

    I love how the Lord was very specific in some commands, and broader in others. This is because the Word of the Lord is for ALL mankind; around the world and throughout the ages. So while some things are wrong no matter who or where you are (lying, adultery, pride, etc) other areas are left open for us to set up parameters that God has called for us “personally".

    I agree with “Be Ye Separate”. We need to come out from among the world and be separate. This is so true. We can’t take all the latest fashions, music, trends, etc. and think that we can participate in them as born-again believers. I too, believe there needs to be a difference; a difference in our heart, soul, and mind. This will naturally translate into a difference in our outward appearance and activities.

    Various individuals and groups have determined what this means to them. The topic of dress for example...for some, modesty means long skirts, no makeup, and plain hair. For others, it may mean modest pants, complimentary makeup and a cute hair-do. Even though their outward appearances may look different, both individuals may be seeking to serve the Lord and love him with all their heart, mind, soul and strength. Neither of them has violated the commandment from our Lord to dress modestly, but their “standards” are different in this regard.

    As said before, there is nothing wrong with standards if they do not violate scripture. The problem arises, when we elevate the standard above the principle. Or, if we start making the Word of God say things that they really don’t say at all. Don’t expect everyone in your circle to have the exact same standard as you have. If it’s not commanded in the Bible, have some grace for your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Let the Lord direct them in these areas. It can be hard (I know from experience), because when the Lord shows us something personally, we can’t understand how everyone doesn’t see it just like we do!

    Sure, we need to be different, but the main difference should be our changed heart. It should be Christ in us (our hope of glory) that shines through us every day. If we want to be a sweet-smelling savor unto our Lord, it will be our spirit of kindness and love that will impress those around us, not weather we are wearing a skirt or not.

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  99. I don't see how arguing over dress standards is all that applicable to Laura's story. You're all just chasin' rabits that noone here will ever come to an agreement on. It's a dead dog and, It's about as silly as debating Bible versions.

    This discussion is just a diversion of what really matters here, And what really should be discussed. What people wear is between them and God. Lets leave it there!

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  100. Anonymous @ March 19, 2011 1:00 AM

    I am sorry for being so mean. I had no idea that the Bible is so archaic and now these verses about women looking like ladies... and the verses about women being preachers. When did this happen and where was I? Silly me and irrelevant Bible. No one ever said you have to wear a skirt to go to church. You the people of the PVBC/Pembina and First haters club made that up as a point of contention so you might have a little more ammunition. What other parts of the Bible have you been enlightened to as their being out dated and which God no longer really means? Psa 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? Keep proving your true agenda and show us how much you are willing to nullify the Bible and its credibility to vindicate your position.

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  101. Thank you Candace for your post.....I agree with you 100%.

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  102. Thank you Floozy for just proving again what we already know about you. Did someone mention archaic? I must have missed that. Doesn't take a shrink to see that all your angry sarcasm and hatred in your speech is probably just because you're suffering from being forced to wear skirts when you clearly think it's archaic.

    People like you are the reason 2:21 doesn't go to church. Not because of your message, but because of you.

    Let me leave you with this seeing as you walk such a straight line and live by bible and bible alone.

    Matthew 5:37 "But let your communication be, Yea, yea: Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these becometh of evil."

    And no, it's not saying "wear skirts all the time" cause there's more to the bible than just that. It means, "say what you mean, and mean what you say."

    You are by far one of the worst cases of blind I've seen yet.

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  103. Did your women preacher tell you that? You sure like to skirt the issue (pardon the pun) when dealing with Bible that your camp thinks is no longer applicable to humans. In your eyes God needs to update Himself or something like that. Shame shame. Again, please advise me as to which parts of the Bible are "written for the other age when women were property" so I can update my wardrobe.

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  104. Persecuted by the churchMarch 21, 2011 at 2:43 PM

    Floozy,

    I agree with you on the issue of women in leadership, but where does the Bible say that women should wear dresses/skirts? Deuteronomy 22:5? How about the women wearing their husband's suit jackets? Abomination in the church?

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  105. Where in the Bible does it say woman are suppose to wear skirts?..... I have nothing against woman who choose to wear them, but to make it part of your religion is wrong, and to judge others for not wearing one is just as wrong. I personal believe woman should cover up more and dress decent, and not let everything hang out, yes, but where is there a dress code in the Bible? Please do share.... Do you not think if that was so important, don't you think God would have given us a strict one, so we could know and have a guide line? Back in the days the Bible was written, men and woman's garments looked almost identical, from the back you probably could hardly tell them apart, often men had longer hair too, plus the main difference was that most woman had their heads covered. So if you believe that woman should dress unworldly and modest why don't you believe woman should also be covered,( you might want to read 1 Corithians 11)We can't just pick and choose what we think justifies us....

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  106. Floozy, I've never believed a woman should be a preacher, I don't know what you're talking about. You need help and I'd encourage you to find it. Your arrogance is shocking. It's funny how you use this blog as an outlet for your frustrations. You are not someone who has peace, that easy to see. I'm so sad that people I know who are good Christians (unlike yourself) go to that church and have you to represent them. You're also not worth my time so I won't be saying anything more to you.

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  107. It has been a long time ago that I first met many of you, bit I'm sure that Laura is not the same person that she was back then.
    from what I have read their is much to be said about standing for what one believes. But you must believe the truth. and Laura I know you and your family, this is WRONG.

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  108. I would call myself the pioneer. Many of you would probably know me if not, you will soon. Mike spent much time with me in ministry, Bible College,sharing,preaching,teaching,confiding church situations with me. One could say we pretty much spent most of our time together. Now to think of it we were almost like family. Infact I believe Im the one with whom this all started, ya you remember me Mike, well Im back and just wanted to remind you because I KNOW you are reading this{remember to take care of the little foxes that spoil the vines}. See I dont need to LOOK FOR THE TRUTH, because you and me both already KNOW THAT I HAVE IT. I would like to say that I cant believe what you've done with the ministry at pvbc,but I for some odd reason am just not surprised, This all seems a little bit like a rerun from 15 years ago. Now that I got your attention I have a question for you. So many questions out there and so many answers I HAVE whatever shall I do? Do the right thing before someone else needs to

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  109. Heads Up Just a heads up regarding the holy father,he is a strong advocate of replacement theology,the hand that you people are kissing is no longer the hand,you know not what you are kissing.And for you that have your nose so close to the grindstone that you cannot see it,take a minute and step back,it's not the grindstone.

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  110. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing ~ Edmund Burke

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  111. To everybody that says they have "truth", quit saying we'll soon see it and just post it already, your ruining this blogs credibility, what are you waiting for anonymous 7:20? (not to just pick on you, your just the most recent to do this) Just shut him (pms) down, if you can, before more people blindly drive off that particular cliff.

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  112. 7:20

    I'm not even taking PVBC's side and I think your posts are ridiculous. Say what you want to say or stick a sock in it.

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  113. Modesty is a heart issue, and has nothing to do with skirts or hemlines. I have known young girls who are covered in yards of fabric that hang loosely off of them and yet they flirt with every male who walks by. Is that modest?
    Let's quit fussing over the outer appearance and work on the heat. All of those outer things will follow in time.

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  114. Following Vic and Mels Blog , Im wondering who is March 22 @3;17? Why does she/he refer to themselves as 'THE PIONEER'. Does anyone know who this is or what she/he even knows?

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  115. 7:20, you are despicable. Go flaunt your dirty laundry else where and take those who eat the crumbs from your table with you.

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  116. I personally do not have a dog in this fight. One observation that I have though is that there is a lot of accusations being thrown out but no proof.

    This seems to be like a bad infomercial, always promising but never delivering.

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  117. 2;51 your close, I'm beyond despicable and you know it dont you? Call it how you see it but Ive got what you want, I dont need to flaunt it . Despicable or not I still have the truth and if you didnt have something to hide maybe you wouldnt be so offended, Its sad when the truth hurts isnt it. I really dont blame you for being so defensive, its natural when you've got something to hide. 15 years ago I backed down, Not now, You dont even have a clue whats going on, and it must sure suck not to be able to sleep at night just wondering whats going to happen next. You gotta be able to do better than that. I was there, I saw it, Did it, experienced it, and KNOW IT. SOMETHING NOONE CAN EVER TAKE AWAY FROM ME. Honestly You have NO IDEA WHOM YOU ARE DEALING WITH. Dont even dare get me started. If revenge was what I sought it would already have happened. OOHH NO you aint seen NOTHING YET. Fasten your seat belt. Ill take you where I got sent "TO HELL AND BACK' Then and only then do you even dare talk to me coward.

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  118. the only one that has gone to HELL AND BACK is Satan.
    But I see the resemblance.

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  119. You would anon8:18, It takes one to know one.

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  120. To 6:15, are you sure it is you that can't sleep at night? I sleep just fine.

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  121. Wrong again, Even Crist himself suffered the penalty of sin when He died on the cross You honestly dont think He saw Hell. You obviously Have no idea what your talking about or whom your dealing with. Christ paid a way bigger price than you can even imagine. Maybe You should Check out who sent me there to begin with. Tread carefull you might just get burnt. YOu really better hope you know what your doing and whom your dealing ith

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  122. Could it be a ruler of darkness, in a very low place?

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  123. YOU all want credibility,You want some MEAT to chew on , You want dirty laundry. Try this for starts. Your all wondering whom I am, what does this person actually know. When I told You that you dont even Kow what your talking about I wasnt kidding, Most of you dont even know your caught in a trap of deceit. For those of you who know what your church COVENANT is pull it out fasten your seatbelts and lets go for a ride. #1 half way into the fourth paragraph. Here were talking about your church PVBC "to give it a sacred preeminence over ALL institutions of human origin. YOU now believe that your church PVBC comes before everything else in your life{Family,Husband,wife,kids,etc} This is wrong, the first thing that God Ordained is the family and this should come before any church, how else can there be unity? #2 Fifth paragragh "to avoid all tattling, backbitting, and excessive anger; to abstain from everything that will cause our brother{sister} to stumble or that will bring reproach upon the cause of Christ. OUCH that one bites. Sounds to me like even PMS is having trouble with that one. {EVEN THOUGH HE HAS A WONDERFUL LOVING RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS MOM AND DAD]. #3Last paragraph "we more over engage that when we remove from this place we will, as soon as possible, unite with some other church where we can carry out the spirit{NOTICE IT'S ALL IN SMALL LETTERS, WHAT SPIRIT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?}of this covenant and the principles of God's Word". People this is impossible for you to do , no other church has "the spirit of your covenant" so your trapped its imposible according to what is stated here for you to find such a place.#4 article X11 "We believe the scriptures teach that such as are truely regenerate, being born of the Holy Spirit,will not utterly fall away and finally perish, but will endure until the end;that their perservering attachment to Christ is the grand mark which distingushes them from superfessors;that a special Providence watches over their welfare;and thay are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation". Now if i'm reading this right, this is just a long way of saying that a Christian cant lose their salvation. Funny thing is that when I gave my resignation I was told that I was lost and entangled with sin and the devil, and PMS and his Puppets{Deacons} where now giving me to the devil because I wasnt even saved. One day I got God, the next day I dont. Wow sucks to be me.Even Im not that stupid. Amazing what you can do to someone when you got something to hide and they Know what it is. Anyway lets move on to the Church CONSTITUTION. Arent we having fun yet, It just amazes me how I know nothing but yet somehow come up with all of this. I gues you had to be there . #1 Article 1V #3 " The personal right of interpretation of the Bible and competency of the individual soul in direct approach to God' . Pretty much telling you all that any person can interpet the scriptures as you see fit {SO ANYTHING GOES} . Funny thing is if you have difference of opion to the Pastor your "blackbook" material. And individual soul liberty. Wow does that mean i dont need to go to the Pastor first to see if its ok.I thought PMS knew best what Gods will was for my life.#2Article V11 sect 1 'It is the duty of all members to read the church covenant and to remain familiar with it, and strive to adhere to the standards outlined therein. I hope you've all read it and FULLY understand it. #3 sect 3 It shall be the DUTY of the members to be loyal to the pastor and the program of this church. I thinks this is telling you all you have to do WHATEVER the pastor tells you,and as to "the Program" well I found that one out the hard way. That can be just about anything. You got a problem with any of this yet ,well suck it up princess check out article X G "The pastor shall have direction over all ministries of this church. in fact all of article X tells you the pastor is in charge of everything and everybody

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  124. Ill continue PART TWO another time comment section is too small to continue. But what do I know Ive only done MY STUDIES. The ride only gets better!!!!

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  125. 9:13

    Your calling yourself Christ?

    Looks like an Anti-christ

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  126. anon 1:15
    thank you, and please keep it coming. I believe the only way to overthrow pms is to get his own congregation to make a united front against him, we being "outsiders" cannot do it, we can say whatever we want but until the congregation opens their eyes, nothing will happen. The hard part being that they have to see it at the same time, or they'll just leave quietly and one at a time, like the rest of us. To the pvbc'ers reading this, we're not trying to overthrow the "church" or congregation, (we would love to worship together) we're just trying to let you know that in trying times (where relationships generally grow stronger) any Godly attributes seem to flee or be absent from pms all together. We believe he is hurting Christ's ministry and the Winkler community. It's hard to see while your there, but please, if one person told you that the bridge ahead was washed out wouldn't you at least check it out before driving full ahead? Well, here (in Winkler) we have hundreds, maybe thousands, telling you this bridge is washed out, please don't wait until you're passed the point of no return.

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  127. I hear a lot of "shunning", or church discipline coming from pvbc and was just wondering, is that the same as ex-communicating somebody? If so please read Matthew 18:15-17, it says, "If a brother sins against you" not "if a brother sins" HUGE difference. Then it says to first go to him alone and if you can't resolve the issue then involve a few people, and if even then you can't resolve the issue, then involve the CHURCH, it does not single out the pastor, it also doesn't say you can't involve the pastor. Just letting you know that he is not your ONLY option. He is not ALL POWERFUL or ALL KNOWING (neither are we)he is leading that church, for now, and should be telling you this himself. You, the congregation, are just as much the body of Christ as any christian authority figure or the homeless christian fallen an hard times. Any one man that causes christians to fight amongst each other this much is obviously not a leader. Pms, for the furtherance of Christ's Kingdom, please step down from your post.

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  128. "Hundreds, maybe thousands"

    You all give yourselves way to much credit.

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  129. There is one thing we are all forgetting. You and I, Mike Sullivant, and everyone other person on this planet are just dust. GOD.. He is everything. He sent His son.. Jesus Christ here to die for us, that we might have eternal life.. not that we might spend our days arguing the prophesies.

    If you have 45 minutes to spare, and we all know you do otherwise you wouldn't be taking so much time arguing back and forth here.. take the time to watch this series of videos.. 5 in all. God is huge. God is indescribable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewKtSKbWZUI

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  130. I know one of PMS's children personally as a close friend, and the ONLY reason this child of his is still involved in the church is out of fear of PMS. That is sad. This child hates the church and everything it stands for and would love to worship elsewhere but does not want to end up like their sister Laura.
    Laura, this sibling of yours misses you.

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  131. I checked the PVBC website, and it states their slogan, "A Church with a Heart for People." Where is this heart when you put up a discriminatory sign for all to see, something about "We are too blessed to be depressed?"

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  132. I'm sure that Satan wants all bible preaching Pastors to "step down from their post"

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  133. anon, March 23, 2011 10:56 AM

    Name the Sibling.

    That's what I thought.. another lier. yes I call you a lier because I have talked with all of them about this and I know them better then anyone.

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  134. schizophrenia is a comical imbalance. depression is a spiritual imbalance

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  135. Anonymous March 23, 2011 12:57 PM

    Name the sibling?? Yeah and ruin their life. I think not. If and when they decide to reveal themselves it is up to them. The only reason I am remaining anonymous is to protect the sibling. If you know the family so well you obviously have nothing to lose, so then what is your excuse for being anonymous? Call me a liar if you like, I am not bothered by that. I know the truth. I don't attend the PVBCult and never would. I am just an ear for a friend.

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  136. 2nd Corinthians 11:13 "...for such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."

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  137. anon 1:14,
    If it would help him/her to break free and to serve God better, yes, post the name. Your friendship might be ruined, and might not, (God can change the heart) be positive, look at the big picture, who are you serving? Eternal rewards where moth and rust don't corrupt, that's what I'm striving for. I've lost a few friends, living this way, but God's love is worth more to me than a mere human being. A true friend protects their friends best interests when its not in their own best interest to do so. They'll thank you later.

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  138. Those poor Sullivant children, stuck. Even after they get married. Only way to get away is to become a missionary in another country. A good father would encourage his sons to pursue their goals and go to a real college and get a respectable job or start their own business. Of course the rest of the children who still live at home, live in fear, they saw what happened when Laura questioned authority, they were fed lies about her daily until some started figuring things out for themselves. Their father used the older children's significant other's as a way to control them and that's a fact. The ones who have not chosen a mate from that cult are very wise. My suggestion to them. TRY going to a college that is out of province/country, see how easy it would be.

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  139. Thanks Anonymous 1:15.
    Very enlightening.

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  140. I can just see Sully cornering his last three prisoners and pointing his manicured finger in their faces and yelling "WHICH ONE OF YOU IS IT?"

    Sad, so sad!

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  141. Anonymous March 23, 2011 8:00 PM

    I never said it was one of his children that lives at home.

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  142. So PMS gets a manicure?

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  143. so it's either Mark, Matt, or Jon? Hmmm?

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  144. Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: [and] he that shutteth his lips [is esteemed] a man of understanding. Prov.17:28

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  145. I'm supposed to stop going to church there because of what other people have said? Because of another person's offenses? Am I supposed to turn against the pastor because of others' offenses instead of my own experiences? So a person should quit their job because of what another person thinks of their boss or the other person's offense with the boss?

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  146. Sis, if you find that lies are told and families are broken, wouldn't it be wise to find out? From both sides?

    If you found out a restaurant's food poisoned a friend, should you not think carefully before going back there? If you want to go and try it for yourself, that's your choice. But a wise person listens to other people and hears them OBJECTIVELY. It is far wiser to learn from someone else's experience than to wait for it to happen to you.

    Why would a person not seek the truth? Could it be that all this bravado of supporting your pastor without thought or question is really masking a fear of truth that would shake your world?

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  147. I have it on good account that people from your side want to leave but are afraid that they will be "truth sessioned" to no end. Be Strong and stand for yourself and be set free from this entanglement that the haters club seeks to keep you in bondage with. 9:14 AM, you are one to talk, have you ever even attempted to objectively ask our side? Nope, you have your conclusions already. Whats with all these analogies? I've been told that they simply don't work for everyone.

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  148. Constitutions are approved by public vote. Don't like? Don't vote. For clarification you hate Pastor because a public vote passed?

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  149. Why are you people so afraid of facing the truth? One man should NEVER have so much power over another. I know it happens, but it's wrong. Let's help our spiritual brothers and sisters out here, and I believe that's what Laura is trying to do with her blog.

    MS to me sounds like an instable mental case (verbally and emotionally abusive). He said Laura needed to be in a mental insitution? Maybe he's trying to cover something up in his own life. Maybe he's the one that needs the emotional help.

    And for all the people, including her brothers, that keep labeling Laura as full of lies and hate, how do you defend MS for all his yelling and finger pointing and obvious lying and destroying families? Seriously, he needs help, not defending.

    Yelling is not a fruit of the Spirit, but patience and self-control is. MS doesn't seem to be displaying those particular fruits much, and he's a pastor. So sad.

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  150. "maybe..." "it seems..." "to me it sounds like..." Do you not know what this is? GOSSIP. If you have questions, then ask the person. Don't ask millions of people through the world wide web. 98% don't know the people you are questioning. All you are doing is slandering-verbal or spoken defamation. Shame on you for this. It's disgusting how many people are willing to throw dirt when they have not even asked those they are talking about. Grow up.

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  151. Anonymous, March 24, 2011 8:09 AM
    I never said it was one of the children that live away from home either. I just said one of Laura's siblings.

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  152. could it be a sibling that lives neither home nor away, but under the culvert on the laneway like a troll?

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  153. Many say Laura's lying about how hard it was for her at home, but she immediately reached out to the supposed sibling that's struggling with the same thing. So obviously she believes it's possible something could be wrong. I think a liar would react differently. Just a thought.

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  154. I have from a very reputable source that there are not just one but three different private investigators already involved in this. Apparently, one of them has been "involved" in the church for quite sometime and has more of an inside than one could imagine. There's far more than just an abused daughter situation going on there...

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  155. Attention Confusion @ March 28, 2011 5:12 PM

    Yea, well... this is nothing new, nothing we have not seen before. It has been tried and will be tried again... maybe while "they" are there they might hear about Gods love and be saved too.

    Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

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  156. Fusion...how would you like something said and your name tied in with a ....? Leaves a lot of room for speculation. If you are going to say something, say it.

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  157. Hoo wow! Could this be PMS himself asking? Sounds like it. Okay, Mike, so no problem. Sure. Here's a detailed list of the investigative subjects AND the investigator by name. Just give me a minute here. *rolling eyes* Nice try. Go waste some more brain power thinking of the next comment.

    Fusion, I don't know who you are, but maybe a little more hint would be nice, though. Just playing Devil's advocate. Lol!

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  158. To: God is the judge, when i sit in front of God in he kingom of heaven and he asks me if i know who you are and if you are worthy of spending eternity with him i will answer yes because you knew not of what you have done and have been mislead by your spirtual leader. I have no intentions of condemning anyone to "hell" but to forgive where it is due.

    The Judge said...
    Not one person has proved anything against Mike Sullivant. you are a very wicked group of people.

    The Lord has no place in your lives. He may have saved your souls, but you are satanic in your attack.

    If God turned His back to Christ on the cross because of sin, then he has turned his back on Laura and all her Followers because of this hateful wickedness.

    You will all hang your heads at the judgment. There is no call for this evil wickedness. God is to be feared and worshiped and you think in some twisted way that he is pleased with all of this. GOD HAVE MERCY

    March 14, 2011 5:17 PM
    First of all God holds first place in my life above all others,Second, he has not and will not turn his back on me, for i believe whole-heartedly in him and his teachings, God will take the cloak off this battle soon enough and then you might realize what truths we are battling for. You can call me heretic, satanist heathen, unGodly, etc etc the list goes on but i know where i stand with the king of hosts God almighty and it will take alot more than words and false acusations to move me from where i stand in this battle.
    signed Larry Joseph Brownsberger

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  159. I have heard many accusations against MS, like: shaking his finger and yelling at people, praying over Laura's death, breaking confidentiality, shunning and breaking up families, all not biblical, but no pvbc members are defending these accusations with any kind of sound proof. How do you not expect us to believe all these similar stories we hear from different people? If a jury only hears the facts from one side, that the side they most likely will be on.

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  160. I really think that mike sullivant.sr needs to defend himself on here and not anonymously either and his congregation needs to sit by idley and listen closely to him explain the "TRUTHS" of our our so-called satanic attacks and blasphemous accusations. I have never met a man quite like mike sullivant, he is the only man i have ever met that has been able to look me right in the eyes and lie to me without blinking or turning his head away or eyes for that matter. Not even my 2 abusive stepfathers could do that and they both tried to kill me, hmmm....... says something about the charachter of a man......There is a simple solution to all of this, pvbc congregation members chalenge your pastor to the truth of what we are saying, if he has nothing to hide he should have no problem accomidating you with the truth, but, when you ask him for his side of the story you should also ask for the other side of the story as well. And just so that it is fair to all the pvbcer's out there in lala land in the next little while i will be unveiling some of the nasty dirty little secrets i have about my own life, plus some other unexpected tidbits, so tell ur friends, and make it a family event. just to prove that i fear no man and what he has to say or do to me, For these sins that i have committed i have asked forgiveness and have been forgiven long before i committed these sins like back when my Jesus Christ died on the cross for them. So please tell pastor mike Sullivant to stayed tuned for more fun on ....what will larry write next? till next time Signed: Larry Joseph Brownsberger
    P.s if pvbcer's want to come on here and make this a circus wait till my next few posts.

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  161. Wow, I've read through all this, and all I can say is if I ever step foot in this church maybe I'll wear a miniskirt! Should be good for a few laughs!! Seriously though, I would just never step foot in this hypocritical church. You Baptists have given yourselves a very bad name.

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  162. the strange thing is, the comments from the baptists are way more telling then anyone's story...

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  163. How do you believe all that nonsense that pvbc spits out, honestly, how can you not even question these teachings when so many people have opened up with such spiritual abuse that has occurred there. I just think that you should take a really good look at what we write and follow that with deep meditation with God and the bible. If you still stand where you stand , then you stand where you stand. Signed Larry Joseph Brownsberger

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  164. I i mistook ur post i apologize. signed Larry Joseph Brownsberger

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  165. I don't want to set foot in the PVBC, but is there any way for someone to post a link to this coming Wednesday's sermon? I would love to hear Pastor Sullivant's side of the story! Also, for any PVBCers on here who are beginning to have their doubts about their leadership, here is your chance to ask questions. If you are afraid to ask, something is very wrong... if you are brave enough, this could be the end of your bondage to a this very controlling man.

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  166. Whatever PMS says about "the truth" will not be recorded by them, at least not for the public to get their hands on. I would encourage all those who attend to bring their iPods or something to record and then post a link to the recording here. Most likely it will not even be PMS who will do the talking about "the truth" he's got to cover his royal backside. There will be no question and answer time - there never has been. I'm not curious as to what he's going to say. He's going to deny all accusations and turn on the tears. People have not been putting enough in the offering plate to support his recent raise in pay. Might go bankrupt if he doesn't give his "Bill Clinton" Statement. PMS is very convincing, you'll see if you decided to attend. He'll put you all under a spell.

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  167. After reading all the comments I must say the ones who do not follow PMS are alot calmer and have a greater sense of who God is than the members of this church.
    I work with a few of the winkler baptist and yes can spot them anywhere. First of all the denim skirt and runners is a dead give away and their snotty attitude towards non members is infuriating. They won't ever crack a smile, and look at you with a judgemental face as they scan your apparel up and down in total disgust.
    So glad none of them were the woman who poured perfume on Jesus feet or the woman at the well who had many husbands but wasn't married to any of them. They would have thought Jesus a fraud had they been in the days when He walked the earth in ministry cuz he wasn't following any customs and rules of the church. He couldn't because He only walks in love and offers us all the same wonderful gift of salvation. Laura, I'm truly sorry that you are going thru this awful lonely time. To be without family would really almost kill me but by the grace of God. You most certainly are under His grace and He is carrying you and filling you with strength. Don't ever stop fighting for Him even when your strength feels zapped. We love you and are praying for continued strength for you and thank you for your story....

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  168. A Modern Day ZealotApril 21, 2011 at 9:56 PM

    Like I have Said before "Jesus was considered a Rebel ! I wonder how the Church explains his Actions taken and dare I say authority ? They Question Our Authority they Question Gods.Our Authority is from our God almighty ! seems you get your authority from someplace else.

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  169. Heck even the Devil quoted scripture,and believes it better than a lot of Christians do. I am sure the Devil knows it better than a lot pastors do to.If this pastor was so upright,And a Holy man then there would be no reason to question him,his motives or actions now would there. God is A wise God and knows how to run and make things known unto his people.It takes care of itself but you have no wisdom in this area.God likens His kingdom like unto a Child .Not complicated and hard to understand we are his sheep and sheep by nature are dumb.Anytime we make or something seems to be to complicated we are probably missing the point.Not everything is nor will be revealed to man ,but in due time as God Chooses it shall be revealed as He Pleases.

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