Tuesday, February 1, 2011

Bitterness

I just wanted to let you all know, that I appreciate any and ALL feedback on my blog.

I don't believe in posting anything until I get full peace from God about what to write next. I know that to some that may sound 'Coo Coo', but that's what I believe.

I am SO thankful that I have been such an encouragement to so many! I had no idea prior to writing my blog as to how God would be able to use my story to help others, and I couldn't do it without HIS help.

I WILL be continuing my story.

I think that in order to even BEGIN to heal, one has to get rid of the bitterness and anger. Yes, it IS easier said than done....I'm not done with my story at ALL yet!
Fighting with bitterness/hurt/pain can sometimes be a daily, lifelong process, but with God's help you can truly be free and unchained.

Hebrews 12:15     KJV
         Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled.
A year ago last September, I was able to do something I honestly never thought possible.....I not only forgave my father for all the horrible things he had done, I was able to pray BLESSING on him!!!!
Do you have any idea how awesome that was for me???
Was it easy?   NO
Did it happen overnight?   DEFINATELY NOT!

But it DID happen!

Bitterness is a terrible and destructive thing, it eats away at the soul and can create such scars and hardness of the heart.
Some days are harder than others. I will never forget what has been done to me and what is currently being done to others by my dad in his church, but that doesn't mean that I have to dwell on the negative!

197 comments:

  1. forgiveness is really hard and bitterness only helps the enemy. With all the horrible things that is happening to my family it is hard to let go and let God take care of it. I know God is not a part of what your father is doing and God will have his vengeance for using his name to do their wicked deeds. I just pray for that day to come sooner rather then later.

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  2. So true, you're doing great! Allowing God to work through you requires patience, understanding and a realization the outcome isn't always what we think.
    Forgiving and blessing isn't okaying what he did, but gives YOU the freedom to not have to deal with it anymore and place it in God's hands instead.

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  3. i love your blog Laura, keep it up! you have been such an encouragement :)P.S you're awesome

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  4. For those of you who might be faulting your parents friends or relatives for not leaving PVBC,I assure you it is not as easy as it might seem.If they have had the misfortune of accepting money from the church for health reasons or anything else,when you want to leave you are confronted and made aware of it.That was one thing that was thrown in my face by the minister and I know of others who have had the same experience. JAKE,AFTER ALL THE CHURCH HAS DONE FOR YOU, YOU ARE GOING TO LEAVE.After I assured him that I had paid it back with interest and had the reciepts to prove it he backed off. Mike has a whole drawer full of IOU,s

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  5. Hi Laura, you probably don't remember us, but you taught my daughter violin at the church. (We were not from that church.) One day someone called to let us know we would need to find a new teacher, but there was no explanation. Often wondered what happened to you. So good to hear that you are finding peace & healing in your life. Wow, had I known what you were going through, I would have immediately taken you from that place and showered you with so much love! You were a beautiful person and a wonderful violin teacher - and it looks like you still are. Blessings to you as you continue your journey. Love and prayers from our family.

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  6. There is someone who still attends PVBC who is very smart and put things together, he doesn't want to go to that church any more but his wife does. Anyway, he noticed that whenever someone would get an award in front of the entire church or honored in some way, would very soon be church disciplined. That or saying good things about them in his sermon so he could say "go back and listen to such and such a sermon, how could it be true what that person is saying about me" That way the puppetmaster could say "look how much I did for that person, and this is what I get in return" He has also slipped someone a piece of paper before a members meeting saying "we need to do a little pruning now and again" It was amazing to me how that guy could tell ahead of time who was going to leave the church without anyone telling him. I'm not bitter, but for someone to give people a wrong view of who God is, that is not okay.

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  7. I have known Laura for many years now, I have been her husband for 7 years. I have seen first hand what her past has done to her emotionally. It is a daily struggle for her that affects her all aspects of her life. In the time I have known her, I have never caught her in a lie, not ever a small lie. A lie is a lie, small or big. She will not even tell someone I am outside if I don't feel like talking to someone on the phone.

    The struggles she deals with are not feelings of guilt, or wondering if she could have done things differently, they are feelings of sorrow and helplessness. Laura has none nothing wrong. Her entire family has shunned her. And why? Because she had her own opinion, which by the comments I have read is clearly not allowed.

    I have met with her dad two different times. Believe me, this man is convincing. He should be a salesman. The first time he almost had ME convinced that Laura was was to blame for the whole situation. He is a smooth talker. I have also sat in for one of his sermons, and I must say I enjoyed it a lot. But knowing what I know, it brings a sick feeling to your stomach to think that people are following this man.

    All I can say is that Laura is only speaking the truth. It is important for people to know what really happened so they can do their own research and find out the truth for themselves.

    I am very proud of my wife for taking this step and subjecting herself to the lashings from some who are following using blind loyalty.

    Jason Sterk

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  8. So...you're saying you're a heroine for all this because of them not wanting you to talk to a boy, or go to a certain college? It can be an emotional time for a family when someone decides to chose a different path...maybe mistakes get made, but you are taking it too far, to a church slanderer...tread carefully my dear. I have read nothing from 'your side of this story' that is horrific. You are just a girl that doesn't believe what your family does and went and built her own life. So what, doesn't mean what they believe is wrong. You like jeans, tight tops, and country music, and your parents don't. Get over it. You got what you want, so why make it sound noble by making the church sound bad. Yes, there are evangelical churches out there without standards. Go ahead and let those three little girls choose everything they feel and desire...maybe you'll realize what a true broken heart is one day. This blog glorifies self, and only helps those who have a problem with your particlar family have a place to congregate and agree. Get a real burden. Jeremiah 17:10 "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

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  9. sounds like someone is back and not too happy.

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  10. I stumbled across this site and have to comment. I'm not too worried about this side or theirs. It is not who people approve of that makes any matter...What God thinks simply IS. We will all see one day, and until that day is your opportunity to live for God's glory. So this is you bringing glory? A blog for church haters diguised as the righteously free...or is it perhaps free to sin without a conscience? Anyway, I meet alot of people who blame their churches for controlling them, hey find a church that doesnt. You did right? And you're going to inspire the world to do the same....So the problem is?...oh yeah it was supposed to be with your parents blessing so it would feel more normal.

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  11. I wouldn't commend your wife for subjecting herself to lashings. Her problem seems to be that she could never take a lashing from the beginning, never mind subjection. Try it sometime, impliment something she doesn't agree with...try deciding to be a fundamental baptist? Get a conviction over music and dress standards for your home...and then enjoy the ride. :)

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  12. One more rant for Jason. Just so you know, I have no problem with baptist churches. I agree with the majority of what they believe. I also have no problem with any churches that encourage their members and those attending to submit and conform to what they believe the Bible is saying. I think that most churches do this, it is good. Is it o.k. to kick out someone who does not share all the same views? I don't think so. I think it would be almost impossible for anybody to find a church that has ALL the same principals as you do. If every church did this, ALL of the churches would be empty on Sundays. You simply can not expect all of you members to share all the same views. Sometimes you have to agree to disagree on some of the small things. Of course I am not saying that if you and your church disagree on what salvation is, you should stay and just suck it up. This is the most important part of the Bible. You and your church must share the same views. The church should be happy that they have people attending and hearing the word, not obsessed with who wasn't at church last Sunday, or who they saw wearing pants at the baseball game.
    A church has deacons or elders for a reason. They should be there to hear the concerns of the members who have questions about the direction the church is taking, or concerns about the pastor. They are there to guide the pastor and express THEIR own opinions. It is their God given duty to correct the pastor when he is wrong. It is not o.k. to be a "yes man" and to follow without discerning.
    If you are o.k. with this type of practice, then all the power to you. It just would not be for me, and you can have it.

    Jason Sterk

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  13. Re: Anonymous Comment dated February 3, 2011 7:50 AM.

    You said: "You got what you want, so why make it sound noble by making the church sound bad."

    The church doesn't need much help making it sound bad. It does a mighty fine job of doing that all on its own.

    Don't get me wrong. I KNOW there are many wonderful people that attend there. Some very close to me. But the problem exists with the big kahuna at the top. If you cannot see that, I do not count that as a fault against you. I didn't see it for the longest time either. I pray dearly for the ones that go there that they would all see the truth of what goes on. Laura's story is only a single example of the tyrany that many many other families have experienced at the hand of the Pastor.

    May God be with us all as we seek Him!

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  14. And all the Mennonite Churches said AMEN,finally the Baptist sheep stealers are fighting among themselves.
    And the devil said,Denominationalism,best idea I ever had,Christians fighting Christians.

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  15. I'd like someone to explain what's so bad here about this church? Only the Pastor? His "yesmen"? Really...what did they really do to any of you? I know people who support you Laura...they all have the same story, making out with guys their parents didn't approve of, running away to live with a guy, dressing like harlots (never mind pants!), wanting to marry people that had mental issues etc...don't let this girl fool you. Laura wanted a life without boundries and walls, and yes thats the norm for most of the world. And instead of having the courage to admit that, she has to make it sound like there was a legitimate reason to take off besides plain old selfishness. She has no problems except that her family doesn't have anything to do with her and why should they? Not because she disgusts them with her choices, but because she accuses the whole ministry of being corrupt, except for the blinded followers...poor people. She is basically claiming to post all this stuff to save everybody from what she went through. After 12 years she's still a selfish brat, who isn't satisfied to just live her life in private, but has to try to generate more and more sympathy and fuel more anger towards her father's ministry. Oh, yes, I forgot how forgiving she is, she's just leaving it to the Lord. Just posting some feedback which you love...you welcome ALL feedback. Amen. I love you Laura, but you are sincerly wrong in your approach to all this. Grab your current pastor and few witnesses and get into your Dad's office. Then really give it to God without posting your family news on the web.

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  16. I'm thankful for Laura telling her story, because so many of us have one like it that we cannot voice - why? at risk of losing people we love who are involved in that cult.

    Laura has already lost it all, she has nothing to lose by telling her story and we are so grateful that truth is finally out here for the world to see.

    The bible says to speak the truth in love and I believe Laura is doing it amazingly!

    I pray for her to have the courage to continue to do so. I pray for my family to be free of that cult so we can heal and be whole again. I pray that God opens they eyes of his children and that he puts a stop to the wicked man so many blindly follow. I pray healing on everyone who has been hurt and misled. I pray this blog will be the beginning of the end of the horror show in Winkler. Amen.

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  17. Has anyone ever read through the handbook for the CBBC? After doing so, I cannot fathom how someone would want to sign up for this level of control. If you want to date someone, it indicates that you need to get written permission from both sets of parents and the school administration. It also indicates how many inches of space need to be between people of the opposite sex (6 inches, in case you are interested). If you have enough demerits, they can restrict you to campus, not even allowing you to visit family in the area unless you have permission from the administration. This place shows the classic signs of a cult.

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  18. I can't believe how many of you's that are making comments on here are calling PVBC a cult!! So people can get saved through a cult?? If you want to call it that, then fine, but if it wasn't for this "cult" I'd be lost and on my way to hell. I thank the Lord for this church every day. I am sorry for Laura and her family and all that went wrong thought this whole situation but we all have had family issues and make mistakes in our past and it doesn't make the whole church a cult because of it.

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  19. Oh yes, I almost forgot... Mind control is a big sign of a cult too! Thank you for reminding me, previous poster!

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  20. So you were all victims of mind control and/or blind following ...and are now free? WOW. What a weak bunch of souls...maybe you are not saved! I have the choice to do whatever I want while a member at PVBC, and I can leave there too. So did/do you. Give your head a shake people. You should have a 'PVBC controlled me' convention and boo hoo for the rest of your lives. Laura has not lost anything. She glanced at that baby brother like she explained, and left for a lesser calling. She has a lot to lose from coming clean or being quiet...having to tell this whole family she married into and her whole web of followers she was/is rebellious. Of course, where no rules are there is no rebellion for you free people out here.

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  21. What I have noticed is that of all the people I know who have stopped going to PVBC, they never describe it as "I stopped going to PVBC". The terms they always use are synonyms for escape. I wonder why that is...

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  22. Isaiah 55:11
    So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.

    The reason its a cult is because of the 1. Control 2. Destruction of families 3. Isolation 4. Manipulation 5. Lack of accountability 6. Blind following of the Leader 7. Abuse of authority

    Matthew 7:15
    15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

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  23. Does the man at the top of PVBC not realize that the New Testament came after the Old Testament? Jesus, full of grace and truth and love, came, not to condemn, but to set us free from our bondage to sin and rules. I Cor. 13:13 tells us that FAITH, HOPE, and CHARITY (LOVE) are three qualities a Christian needs to possess, but the greatest is CHARITY. Now quoting vs. 4 – “Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up.” Please look it up for yourself and read all the verses in the chapter. If the man at the top would allow God to be at the top, and make these verses a part of his heart, I believe the church at the corner of Pembina and Hwy. 32 could be a shining light for Christ.
    P.S. Just as I was about to post this comment, I realized another comment was posted where the writer claims to love Laura. Otherwise this person's whole writing drips with spite. If this is the type of love that is preached at PVBC, then I agree we need to beware of cultish activity, and our mandate is to warn others of wolves prowling around in sheep’s clothing. Thanks, Laura, and keep looking up!

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  24. biblically speaking he should not be a pastor:

    1Ti 3:1-7
    This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
    A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
    Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
    One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
    (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
    Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
    Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

    Tit 1:6-16
    If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
    For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
    But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
    Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
    For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
    Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
    One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
    This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
    Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
    Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
    They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

    http://dictatorpastors.yolasite.com/what-is-a-cult-leader.php

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  25. Laura, I don't know you, but I know a little bit of your story from my sister, and I do know your mom and dad. I remember when your dad first came to Winkler. He struggled to start that church and he was, at that time, a kind, loving and even humble man. I described his church as appealing to the "unloved and unlovely." Somewhere along the line, your dad traded what he knew to be right and true for power, money and control, and he abuses all three, I'm sorry to say. I have, in the past, gone to the odd service (not in the past 15+ years though!), but the last one I went to alarmed me. The new church was still relatively new. The things your dad was speaking from the pulpit rubbed me the wrong way - they were filled with self-righteousness, judgment and hypocrisy. I knew I would never darken the doors of that "church" again. In the past many years, his church has taken on the flavor of a cult, not a church, and it is even referred to as a cult by many, including me. I have watched beautiful young women turned into dowdy, door-mattish, frumps in a very short period of time. Men can do whatever they want, but the women have no right and no say. I'll leave it at that, even though I could say a whole lot more.

    I have seen your dad recently. He will kiss up to anyone with money no matter their lifestyle or beliefs because he wants their money in his church and wallet. I've also seen him in an unguarded moment, and I saw a very unhappy man. I'm sure whether he admits it or not, you weigh on his heart heavily, and I have a feeling that his conscience tells him that he's traded his soul for power, control and money. I feel sorry for anyone who falls prey to his charisma. I hope that one day he realizes that he is not God in the flesh, but a mere mortal, subject to all the flaws and failings that we mortals battle with. He is not exempt. I have prayed for him, that he would have to face the truth of what he is and what he's done, and that his lies would be exposed, but there are still more and more people falling victim to his control. I have watched him destroy families and relationships with friends and families. It tears at me to see it. I think you are a remarkable young woman, Laura, and I thank God that he gave you the strength, wisdom and discernment to see that God wants you to LIVE and not just merely subsist under your dad's thumb (or that of any other man, for that matter). God bless you Laura. I hope that one day you and your family can be reconciled.

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  26. I wish people would take responsibility, and sign their names to their hate-filled comments. If this blog and it's author were really concerned for truth there would not be such venom and lies posted. If people were so concerned with our family being reconciled then how come they fail to recognize that there are 7 other siblings she has alienated by her actions that were at home at the same period of time and are now actively involved in serving the Lord, by biblical definition. This is not a case of misconduct by my Dad. This is a case of a sister who failed to follow biblical truth (shown in love) and rebelled against her God-given authority. It is easy for anyone to pick the side of someone who tells a heart-wrenching story with the facts twisted to suit their own bitter goal. The last twelve years I have never seen a more godly man serve the Lord and try to help people draw closer to God than my Dad. Also, in the last twelve years I have never seen someone try to wreck a life and ministry and the lives of others more than my sister. I would say that no one who has posted a comment has seen or felt the sorrow that we as a family have gone through the last twelve years. The hours of prayer, the tears, and the heartache that she has caused every one of her family members. She is not willing to face the fact that she lied. If she was concerned with not hindering the work of the Lord spreading the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, why isn't His story on here instead of hers.
    First Timothy 4:2, "Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron." It must be hard knowing that the last twelve years my sister's life has been built on a lie. She is the only one standing in the way of reconciliation taking place between her and her family.

    Many of the comments found on this blog remind me of what Paul told Timothy in Second Timothy 4:1-4, "I charge therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall heap to themselves teachers having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
    If there is one thing you can blame my Dad for it is that he has been and is a faithful preacher of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. This will be my only comment on this blog. We love Laura and pray for her every day, not that she would die, but that God would show mercy and bring her to repentance for what she has said and done. Matthew Sullivant

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  27. It appears either PMS or one of his sycophants has taken umbrage at this blog. It sure is a bitch when the truth gets out, idn't it? As much as I'd like to see Laura reconciled to her family, I know it's an impossibility because her father is as proud as Lucifer, and is NEVER wrong about ANYTHING.

    As someone with 10 years of perfect PVBC attendance, I can assure you that most of what you hear about the place and the pastor are true. I probably can't even count the number of people that left the church during that time, and strangely enough, all of them were assholes, rebelling against the will of God as directly received and interpreted by PMS himself! Now that I've lived a little longer, I've figured out that when almost everyone can't get along with one particular person, it's generally not the fault of the many, there's a problem with that one person.

    Yes, there are good people at PVBC, and I made some great friends there, but as far as I'm concerned, that was in spite of the "leadership," not because of it. The people as a whole mean well, but they're micro-managed to death, and are told ad nauseum to submit to pastoral authority, and, being good sheep, they follow the tail in front of them as they're being fleeced. I sure wish I could get back every dime I ever donated. I could probably retire.

    Here's my suggestion to Pastor Sullivant and his minions (if you actually want to clear this up instead of posting anonymous libel here):
    Have a public meeting at PVBC, organized similar to a trial. Call witnesses and present evidence on both sides (I know, a radical concept, hearing both sides). Maybe you could swear on a Bible before being cross-examined (though maybe a polygraph should be on hand, since lying while being in close proximity to a Bible might feel like another day at the office). Then all the people who wished to attend could decide for themselves with both sides presented.
    "The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him. " (Sorry, not KJV, so probably not true)

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  28. people don't post their names because of the havoc your dad can wreck in their lives. oh and you're one of the only ones to post a name, even for the sheep who've posted on here. I think they don't want to be known as blog readers either...

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  29. Definition of Ignorance: The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

    To those of you who have "pledged their allegience" to Sullivant, and believe he can do no wrong, always tells the truth, and is the only one who is always right, You are IGNORANT! You are SO UNaware of who you so loyally follow. And this blog (I'm sure) is to keep you from continuing to be UNinformed.

    Most of you reading this blog are not getting "IT". This isn't about dress code, rebellion, or a life without rules. Whether or not PVBC is a cult really isn't in question here. What is in question is the true character of a Man who continually makes himself out to be the victim, and ingeniously convinces his members to believe it.

    So, I have a question, how is it that SO many can be wrong and only ONE pastor ever be right?

    PEOPLE give YOUR heads a shake!

    I have witnessed first hand the divisions he causes amoung families. In fact, he tried to divide mine, but thankfully the Lord interviened and opened the eyes of a most beloved family member to the manipulation and lies that Sullivant was feeding them.

    To say that Laura got what she wanted is MEAN and UNkind. I don't think anyone ever wakes up one day and says to themself: "WOW! I hope my family treats me like a criminal for having a mind of my own and disowns me today."
    No, I don't think that was what she envisioned for her life.

    There is no question a lot of good has come out of that ministry, but I think the credit is going to the wrong person. Many of you are forgetting it is God who has worked Grace in your life, not Sullivant. But be honest with yourself, are you growing spiritually anymore? When was the last time you actually learned something other than how to submitt to his "Authority", or how he wants you to believe how the ministry should work.

    To be quite honest, I don't believe God is there anymore.

    I can just see your rolling eyes and the daggers being shot through the computer screen at me.
    But, the truth hurts and may God open your eyes and forgive you for your IGNORANCE.

    So Laura, please continue to tell your story and dismiss the negativity being shot at you. Lord knows you've had enough of that.

    P.S Blainer gets "IT"

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  30. I think most of us are trying to say the same things as the above commenter and are getting "IT." We just have our own unique ways of saying it, and that is what makes this dialogue so interesting. In fact, for me it has been very enlightening, since I have not been able to understand the division created in my family after my sister and her family joined up with the Sullivant church. If it was of God, it would surely bring unity within the body of Christ, not animosity.

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  31. Hey Laura,
    Thanks so much for making this blog. I love reading how God is working in your life! It was great seeing you play violin in October. Love you :)
    Katherine Elias

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  32. I have attended the Pembina Valley Baptist Church sence day one.Going through the time of Laura leaving her Family was the hardest thing that I have ever seen her Father & Mother go through. The burden of having a Child that would take 18+ years of Love and sacrifice and CHOOSE to forsake that love just blows me away.
    To choose to "try" to distroy their own brothers and sister by distroying their Biblical authority. Pastor Sullivant has always said that the greatest thing that he prays for is that his Children do the will of God for their Lives.
    Jesus in "Matthew 10:34-39" gives all of us a clear picture that Pastor Sullivant loved the LORD enough to follow Him and not given in when the Devil attacked.
    I am sorry for the way that this "blog" will more then likely make it hard for some to find the Truth.
    All that it would take for Laura Kay Sullivant Sterk to have restoration is to repent of the rebellion and slander and ask for forgiveness.
    no one LOVES her on this earth then her FATHER & MOTHER.(I know this)
    I write this comment with the prayer that Our Family will one day be together.

    DAD & MOM LOVE YOU no matter what you say.

    I will always be praying for you,
    Mark Sullivant

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  33. I am amazed at those that claim Pastor Sullivant has divided and sought to destroy their family? What did this awful preacher do? Of course no specifics on the situation or your sins involved...You claim people blindly follow but I wonder how many of you have been in his office hearing his side? It is possible to rebel and tell lies...what makes you blindly follow Laura? And then someone posts he doesnt qualify to be a Pastor because of unruly children...I thought Laura was right with God? Show me proof... that he is out for money? that he only hobnobs with rich? PROOF PLEASE. And the post with the swearing...yes how spiritual, you must have the discernment for these things indeed. People go to the church for church, and they appreciate their pastor. Tough concept for a worly Christian. And anyone who says the women turn frumpy have not been to the church to know a thing...there are plenty of beautiful, stylish and godly girls there. The other ones seem to leave...or was the word 'escape'.

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  34. "all you have to do is give us your soul and then everything will be ok" excuse me while I puke...

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  35. Laura, Those that say they are on your side and want you reconciled to your family, don't really want that...they love this contention and it helps fuel them to hate your father. If you ever wanted to reconcile with your father they would not support you because they themselves are full of hate. Search your heart, and may you have courage that at anytime you can do what no one that claims to be your friend wants you too...Love God with all your heart and soul and do what is right. You can do it! Go home...it still can be your home, with the added blessing of your dear husband and children! Oh what a glorious thought. I am praying for you!

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  36. Blainer speaks the truth.
    The police in Winkler refer to Mike Sullivant as a crook. Why is that?
    His own parents say he is the biggest liar they have ever seen.
    The former president of the Canadian Baptist Bible College said on his death bed that Mike Sullivant lied about him. I
    t boggles my mind how he has so brainwashed most of his children and the people who are currently attending PVBC. I know he has covered his royal backside as well as he can, but there are witnesses and proof that exist that will eventually take him down. He would leave town on his own if his salary was equal to the average income of his church members or even the average of other pastors in town.
    It is inexcusable for him to tell parents to have a pretend "funeral" for their own alive children who have decided to leave that church. That is not a one time event either. So many families have been torn apart. The Pembina Valley Baptist Church is a cult because most of the members worship their pastor and the pastor encourages it.
    Sullivant's son posted that he wishes people would take responsibility and sign there names. Why? So he can threaten them? He can not be allowed to continue with this spiritual abuse.

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  37. Too bad even the"Pastor or the deacons" do not sign their own names to the blog comment.That is quite cheap. As an outsider I have watched family separations as if we were going to taint the "good people". I feel sorry for the poor sheep that cannot think for themselves and worship one man as though he is God.

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  38. Blainer speaks the truth.

    When folks leave PVBC, even passively, there's an assumption that they are not right with God.
    It's more than likely the other way around; they have been reading their Bible and found spiritual nourishment they weren't getting from PMS' poisoned well.

    It's case-in-point that a believer is never "not right with God" since he is in Christ.

    Many folks lost their families when they got baptized at PVBC because of the Mennonite view of the second baptism.
    I lost a lot of folks I called friends when I pulled my family out. I would love to hear from them again and know that I still have their friendship. I expect I'm not the only one.

    We had a handful of friends that stayed in touch but it was a very lonely time for us.

    That said, I've never had more freedom in Christ since leaving PVBC and organized Christianity altogether.

    Christ is the author and finisher of my faith. I don't need another man to teach me further for I have the Comforter within.

    Despite what some think, PVBC does NOT meet a need in the community, although there is a great need. I pray that someone will truly stand for Christ there and meet that need to the folks that are trapped in religion whether it's ultra-mennonite or ultra-baptist or somewhere in between.

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  39. I am shocked that PMS would pray for his daughter to die. That is so not God's way. The pastor has huge responsibility to be a godly shepherd to the people, although he is only human and will sin and make mistakes just like the rest of us. He is not infallible. But to pray for your daughter to die and not extend limitless grace is so far from God's way. Most teenagers rebel and lie and many do not choose the way of their parents for a time, but that doesn't mean we give up on them and pretend that they're dead. In the story of the prodigal son, the son chose to run away and leave his family, but his father NEVER gave up on him and was waiting with open arms when he decided to come back. This story is in the Bible and that is God's way. He is always waiting for us to come to Him.

    And no matter how our parents fail us, (and most of them will in one way or another), God is always there extending love and acceptance and complete forgiveness with open arms. That's the great part.

    Matthew, people use anonymous to protect themselves. That is anyone's right. Once there have been so many people hurt by one person, they need to protect themselves.

    Mark said that PMS prays for his kids to follow the will of God for their lives. How is he so sure that what Laura decided was not God's will? And maybe that part wasn't (like I said, many teens act selfishly), but God can use any situation, if people truly are in tune with Him, for the good, no matter how long it takes. "We know that all things work together for good to them that love the Lord, to them that are called according to His purpose." (Romans 8:28)

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  40. Blainer, PLEASE bring in your evidence that exists...they never do, because you are to scared you will get 'spiritually abused' and threatened? So bring the police along then...the crooked one that breached his occupational confidentiality if he said such a thing.

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  41. "Blainer, PLEASE bring in your evidence that exists...they never do, because you are to scared you will get 'spiritually abused' and threatened? So bring the police along then...the crooked one that breached his occupational confidentiality if he said such a thing. "

    Why?
    PMS is an excellent liar. You'll go to hell for lying, but you won't got to jail unless you're caught lying in court.

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  42. So Laura, what you going to do? Erase the blog? continue with the noble cause of helping people with 'forgiveness'? erase the posts that don't support you? make the blog private for you and your following? God help you as you pray about your next leading of the spirit. Your following is a harsh bunch. You've lead them in this...you better be 100 percent sure of yourself.

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  43. I'm glad for some of the bold haters of Pastor Sullivant that do leave their names...investigate some of their lives and you'll see why they hate churches and Pastors, and openly defy God and His Word.

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  44. "I'm glad for some of the bold haters of Pastor Sullivant that do leave their names...investigate some of their lives and you'll see why they hate churches and Pastors, and openly defy God and His Word. "

    Please do! Investigate thoroughly.
    While you're at it, investigate Scripture; for what you find will make you free.

    Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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  45. "So Laura, what you going to do? Erase the blog? continue with the noble cause of helping people with 'forgiveness'? erase the posts that don't support you? make the blog private for you and your following? God help you as you pray about your next leading of the spirit. Your following is a harsh bunch. You've lead them in this...you better be 100 percent sure of yourself. "

    You unclean, domineering heap of dung!

    No tear will be shed in heaven for you.

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  46. Obviously the prayer for Laura to die has not been answered. She is alive and blogging! I find it interesting that this blog began with Laura telling her story, and the comments have taken it another direction.

    This is natural, considering what and who we are discussing here. Of course the topic of conversation is going to turn to Sullivant and his methods of operation.

    To the members of PVBC: You can't see the outside of the box from the inside of the box. There is no objectivity. Furthermore, even if you did dare to look over the edge of your box and see a glimpse of its exterior and then, with further bravery, give some honest thought to what you saw there, that knowledge would demand a reaction.

    An honest, scripturally based response to such enlightenment requires a choice. But is not much easier for the sheep to continue bleeting for their master, than to leave him and be shunned in the most un-Christlike manner? It certainly is easier for you, PVBC member, to stay on in determined ignorance, than to get an honest view of the outside of your box. Don't be so quick to defend your master. Don't wait until something happens to you, as one sheep told me: "I guess something happened to you, but nothing has ever happened to my family, so there is no reason for me to leave."

    If all the individual stories of lies, deceit, broken families, power struggles and unethical behavior were placed in a pile, it would be a mountain much bigger than the master in question thinks he is standing on right now. As one poster said, How can so many be wrong, and only one right?

    Unless the One who is right is GOD.
    And while I personally like Blainer's idea of a trial, with both sides being allowed to speak, I think some very hot places will freeze before this master puts himself in that position. However, there will one day be a trial, and the Judge is God. Let's be patient, Free Ones. If anyone will take revenge, God will do a much better job than we will. Let's leave justice to the Holy Judge.

    To the PVBC members who are anonymously reading and posting this blog, in the words of your leader, "Look at my (Sullivant's) track record!" Just don't ask him for it.

    Melanie

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  47. It sure is exciting to see how the posts here have changed since fearless leader returned.seems his no-minds can now speak.hmmmm and they claim NO DOMINEERING!....nice to feel the love guys.

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  48. Hi Laura

    I have never met you but I know who you are as I attend the PVBC. I have never heard anything bad about you. I have heard references to a church split in the past and I recall talking to your mother one time about how much she missed you. I was forwarded your blog link by a friend of my daughter's. This girl attended the PVBC with her family before the split and she forwarded the link almost with glee as though she was now proving a point. She and another girl from another family that left the PVBC went through the teenage years with my daughter and they spent a fair bit of time together. Both these other girls were very rebellious and ALWAYS mocked my daughter at every chance they could for attending the PVBC. By this I mean every time they would get together they would say something derogatory about her attending the PVBC. Not very "Christlike" behaviour. The one girl would mock my daughter for anything to do with standards, an odd thing I would think coming from a Christian girl and someone who was supposed to be her good friend. My daughter has her own set of clothing standards, as do I which we think are biblical, but they were different from this friend's who's standards were non-existent - very worldly - tight jeans, short tops showing her belly and dyed almost punked hair, all things that my daughter did not agree with. I have met other people and families who have quit attending PVBC and all pretty much seem to be the same type of people - drifting from one church to another - falling for all kinds of "Christian" cults and get rich schemes and all very anti-PVBC, yet curiously all the while using lots of God talk and coming across as though they think they have things all figured out. I have yet to meet a stable Christian that has left the PVBC, not saying there aren't any - just saying I haven't met any - and I have met a lot that have left. They all allude to having superior knowledge over me that one day I will "see" the ugly monster raise his head. When I push for details - cold hard facts - I get none - just a lot of wishy washy wait and see. Eight years I've been there - I don't see it. I've read about a lot of family breakups on this blog, supposedly caused by your Dad - something you need to consider is that your Dad is a preacher. Sounds like an obvious thing, but yet sounds like you have never figured that out. Your Dad is a good preacher. According to the Bible that means he is preaching God's Word. The Bible says God's Word divides, unlike most of the wishy washy Christians today who don't know their Bible very well and think that Jesus is just about love and tolerance. Think about it. A good man preaching God's Word is going to have an effect on people. Through his preaching people will hear things that they need to do to line themselves up with the Bible and many of those people are not going to want to do those things - in families - some will choose to follow the Bible and some will not - this would naturally cause a division in a family - the Bible refers to this in Luke 12:51-53 . The Godly ones who choose to follow what the Bible says look at the preacher and go - this is God speaking to me through this man - what he says lines up with the Bible - it is God using this man to speak to me. The problem for the good preacher is that the ones that choose not to follow the Bible look at the preacher and say - who is he to tell me what to do - this man is trying to control me - not realizing that it is God speaking through him to them. Cont'd

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  49. Cont'd It is a lot easier to blame their shortcomings on another man than to really think about whether the problem is them and their rebellion toward God. These are the same people who are encouraging you on this blog. You can have everyone telling you are right - that doesn't make you right. There is not necessarily safety in numbers, sometimes with people, numbers just mean a mob mentality which usually means a lot of wrong people banding together with the hopes of trying to justify their cause by pointing at other people and going "see I must be right - they think this too.". Be very careful of taking your encouragement to keep up your rebellion by what you hear on this blog.

    Now before you start thinking that we are brainwashed by anything going on at the PVBC let me give you more info. I brought up the reference to standards for a reason. Baptist churches and especially the PVBC are often targeted as legalistic because of their standards, most often the women wearing dresses is cited as the flagship for this "controlling mindset". So it is this example I am using to show how controlling your father is - Both my daughter and I do not believe in "dresses only" on women. We do believe in modest clothing which means not form hugging, low cut or tight,etc. Your father has never said anything to us about our clothing. Your parents have been to our home on at least three different occasions over the last 8 years for meals and your father has dealt with us and we have sought his advice on many different matters and he has had lots of occasion to give us his opinion on how we dress and there has never been any indication from him that he has even noticed that we are not wearing dresses. We are very "unBaptist" like as far as Baptists go and he has never given us any counsel other than from the Bible - That doesn't sound controlling to me, especially when one of the main supposed marks of control for Baptist Dictators are women wearing dresses. He has never forced his views on us and has never made us feel odd or uncomfortable for not being "any particular way" and unlike some bloggers here think - we have no money so he's not being "nice" to us because he's after anything. We attend the PVBC because they are trying to be a biblical church - our views on biblical things come from the Bible and we have specifically chosen the PVBC because their views on the Bible line up with ours better than any other church we have seen. Do we think they are perfect? absolutely not - it's full of people, some of which are us. Do I think your Dad is perfect? absolutely not, I've seen things myself that I disagreed with but nothing more than I would expect from any person I have known for 8 years - people disagree with each other sometimes - it's a fact of life. Do I think your Dad is doing his best? Yes I do. Does your Dad get a lot of opposition? Yes he does - but I have never seen anything other than worldly people attacking a church trying to be biblical, which is - by the way - biblical - Jesus said that anything done for Him would be attacked by the world and it seems odd to me that you, as his daughter, are joining in that attack. In regards to his family - is he strict? I have not been in your home day to day but I assume he is, as well he should be, and his kids should be held to a higher standard even than the other families in the church. Nothing demoralizes a church congregation more than a pastor with rebellious, badly behaved children. Cont'd

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  50. Cont' I read your blog with interest as I said I have often heard reference to the problems in the church in the early years and my natural curiosity was always in the background. Now I know what you see to be your side of what happened. Which I have to remind you other bloggers out there - this is her side - you don't know that someone prayed for her to die and for you to assume that she's telling the truth makes you an idiot. Not saying it happened or it didn't happen but to condemn anyone by the words of someone when you don't actually know they were said is wrong. I must say that after reading your blog your stand makes no sense. What I read does not seem to be the story of a maturing Christian, as you try to make yourself out to be, it sounded like you were a very very rebellious teenager who did not truly believe in your parents biblical protection. It sounds like you made the same mistake many, many worldly rebellious teenagers make in thinking that you knew better than your parents, but unlike most, even the most worldly, teenagers who grow up and eventually figure out that they were just rebellious teenagers it sounds like at 30 you are still that rebellious teenager. Instead of humbling yourself (a truly Christian trait) you choose rather to hold onto your rebellion and have nurtured it into a full blown hatred of your father. It sounds like you went through some rough periods after you left home. Sounds like you didn't honour your mother and father and it didn't go well with you.

    You are trying to make it sound like your Dad is some kind of monster and you are a victim of his abuse and yet what I see is a man who has 7 out of 8 well adjusted Godly children, many with children of their own - all who grew up in this same supposedly abusive home as you at the same time as you and all who are willingly serving in the very same church that you and your fellow bloggers are trying to make out to be a cult. If your Dad truly is the monster you are trying to make him out to be then there would be a few other of your siblings that would have followed in your footsteps. Especially since you have 6 brothers. Some men can abuse daughters and keep them in check with abuse but there is absolutely no way in the world that one man could be an abusive control freak and have raised 6 boys to adulthood without one of them pushing back, expecially not men's men like your brothers. From what I can see they all look happy and loving one towards one another with a great sense of family comraderie and unity, an exceptional feat with so many people and personalities. After attending PVBC for 8 years I would expect I would see some form of tension or disrespect if your father was really as contemptible as you are trying to make him out to be. No, in the Sullivants - I see a happy huge decent family, saddened becasue one piece is missing, and I see you on the outside held there by your own stubborness and your refusal to grow up and admit that you were wrong and your parents were right and that they were just trying to protect you. And I get this from reading your blog, not from anything anyone else has ever said to me about you, as no one has ever even mentioned you to me other than your mother that one time when she mentioned that she really missed you. Cont'd

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  51. Cont'd Your Dad was trying to protect you. Did he come across too strong? Maybe he did - I wasn't there - but did he have your best interests at heart or was he being a monster? A parent who feels their child is majorly messing up can put forth all kinds of strong emotion. I think that is the question here. Was your Dad acting in your best interests or is he a monster? You say you have forgiven him - but yet by posting this blog that cannot be true as the only purpose this could serve is to attempt to assassinate his character, but more importantly is the path to your "healing" actually about forgiving your father? Or is it that you need to admit your rebellion and your side in all of this and ask God to forgive you? You use a lot of God talk but your actions are not biblical and your attitude reflects a worldly God talk, but a me centred ungodly focus. Your blog sounds like you have been talking to psychotherapists who have nurtured your belief that you were a victim. On one hand you are attempting to show what a monster your dad was and how you were right in taking things into your own hands and being a grown up and running away from the terrible abuse and saving your self - but instead it seems more truthful that the enitre rest of your family, all 7 other children, are happy and healthy and you are the one that is miserable because of that very same choice you made. You wanted the freedom to determine your own destiny, according to you. It seems you took that freedom and now you are upset that you are on the outside looking in. You also pridefully brag about how strongwilled you are. Seems a good combination for delusion to me. You say that God gave you the courage to leave your family. Again sounds like delusion to me. God would not send a daughter away from her family to go on her own and have a fling with a boy who she was not going to marry. (Doesn't matter if it was a year later) This is something the world would encourage but not something God would encourage. Something by the way that your Dad was trying to protect you from - now instead of the pure bride your father was hoping to present to your future husband, your husband got someone else's leftovers with the emotional baggage that entails and apparently it entails alot. I don't know the details - it doesn't matter if you slept with "the boy" or not if you were "dating" for 6 months you were intimate and you gave that boy all kinds of emotions and parts of your heart that should have been only your husbands. Intimacy has nothing to do with the physical act. A lot of people commit the physical act and are never intimate. Your Dad knew that "the boy" was not right for you - which apparently with your hard head you wanted to figure out on your own. So you were not pure when you met and married your husband, to the shame of your father, who's charge it was to protect your heart which he attempted to do the only way he knew how at the time. Cont'd

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  52. Cont'd I'm thinking when your children are 17 and ready to leave home because they disagree with you I will take them into my home and tell them how horrible you are and that they don't have to listen to you because I will provide a "safe" - read that free from you're influence - place for them to stay. Actually I'm just kidding. I would never do that - as a Christian if someone else's child came to me with a big sob story about how they were being mistreated I would take the time to physically check out the situation myself and if I was sure that their life was not in danger I would send them back to their parents as it is their parents who know them - who know their stubborn hearts and who God puts the knowledge into to know how to deal with them. I never read anything that sounded like your life was in danger despite your story about the "death prayer". When you capitalized that you were SAFE - what you really meant was you were FREE - now you were FREE to make whatever decisions you wanted to make even if you were not yet mature enough to make them - which is by the way - God's safeguard for idiotic rebellious teenagers - if they listen to their parents they remain safe - but you weren't after safety - you were after freedom to "do what was right in your own eyes" - check out the Bible sometime - see what God has to say about those kinds of people. By the way I would never send a child to attend college at Pensicola - I think your Dad was brilliant in not letting you go there. I also find it fascinating that as a teenager you were able to afford "horses" and a car that was considered "yours" and food and clothes and and shelter and you were able to attend college which you apparently paid for yourself all on a janitor's salary. All I see is a severely rebellious kid who's dad should have used the spoon on when you were 3 alot more and by posting this stuff at 30 I just see a totally immature 30 year old who has no idea what Christianity is about. No where does Jesus ever say it is about you and your hurt. He never says "you go girl" - he never says "stick to your guns" and attempt to destroy your family. You're right your daughters are soon going to be the age where they are going to understand - when they start looking into it they are not going to see a horrible abusive family with a bunch of skeletons rattling around in the closet - they are going to see a poor pathetic mother who could not overcome her own pride and rather kept them from getting to know their huge loving extended family because of her own rebellious - unChristlike - inability to grow up. Cont'd

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  53. Cont'd What you need to do is figure out if you really are saved. Salvation produces a meek and mild spirit, not one of vindication. You profess forgiveness, yet your actions scream "I want my way". I would be interested to know what your parents told you to do that was against the Bible that you think justifies all these actions and depriving your children of their extended family and your husband from knowing his inlaws other than by what you tell him? At least from the information in your blog all I can see is someone with a lot of immaturity problems. You start the blog out with a sob story about how hard it's been on you and your children that they don't know the other half of their family. You need to realize, as your children will soon realize, that the responsibility for that is 100% in your lap. You made a very poor decision all those years ago and you have compounded it. Who am I to judge you? No one. No one you know and no one you will likely ever meet, although we could probably be great friends sometime in the future if you would ever get past this as we have a lot in common - but by putting your information out on the public air waves remember these two things - you can never take back what you write and your children will read it all one day and they will get to know their extended family at some point - who's side is going to hold up then? Who is going to be proven to be in the wrong? AND the second thing is if you want to put this out on the public air waves expect the public to give their opinion back. Personally, I think it is abominable that you would put this stuff up, expecially if you say you have forgiven - as I said I have never heard anything bad about you at church - not from other people and not from your family so there is no purpose for this blog - it's not to clear your name - your name wasn't sullied, until now - now you degrade yourself as the only purpose for this blog is for you to try to feel better about the poor decisions you have made by having all these questionable Christians giving you the "you go girl" pep talk and in the process you are trying to destroy your father - seems like the actions of a very bitter person - you are carrying the rebellious child thing to extremes at a time when you should be maturing and growing up - your daughters need you to grow up. Apparently your dad knew your heart. Fortunately with true Christianity there is always forgiveness, BUT it takes humility. It's an amazing thing! One minute you can feel your life is coming apart and within a split second by humbling yourself it can all be put right, but it's up to you. God does not want you "to go girl" but Satan does. You would be very wise to examine your own heart and make sure of what you are doing and why you are doing it. You do not want your children to grow up and see that you are a monster so don't be one - turn your heart around now while you still have the chance to make repairs instead of more walls.

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  54. "turn your heart around now while you still have the chance to make repairs instead of more walls."

    In other words, turn a blind eye to the lies and destruction caused by the man...

    Six beautifully worded comment novels all boiling down to pure ignorance.

    If the author would have cared to really read the post, Laura was NOT out to destroy her father, but attempting to reach out and hopefully he would reach back with a tender heart, acknowledging the truth *in a public forum* *where it NEEDS to be*.

    The harm was done in public and so needs to be resolved in public.

    Instead, her family has resolved to hold to the lies and harm done 13 years ago.

    Laura is welcome to do whatever she wants. In my opinion, there's not much left but to wait until her Dad realizes he's sinned against *her*, and ask forgiveness publicly.

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  55. Very well put. Thank-you for posting that.

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  56. Not Travis' post - I mean the continued one by Anonymous

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  57. you were right the first time

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  58. I'll give you names:

    Randy & Kathy Hildebrand, around the time Laura left so did Kathy shun her family.

    Paul & Erica Wolfe, told to have a funeral for their daughter when she moved away from an abusive/controlling home.

    Bill & Melody Harder, when her family finally left they were told that only funerals and weddings were places to be together.

    this list does not include the families that have reconciled, the ones who did not heed similar advice, the ones who left because advice like that was given to them & the families who've left in fear that one day their children would be turned against them.

    Even one of those families is one too many!

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  59. http://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/statutes/ccsm/d020e.php

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  60. ALL of that can be proved my dear, the reason legal action will not be involved is because of that fact. Libel, Slander and anything like that is "false" sadly none of our claims are :(

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  61. There seems to be some serious heart-examination and repentance needed here when someone writes a 6-part hate letter, filled with venom and a bunch of “do’s and don’ts” for a maturing 30 year-old. My question of this writer and of the man at the top, as well as of all the others of that mindset: Are YOU still, as adults, under YOUR parents’ authority and doing everything according to THEIR wishes? And if not, are YOUR parents making YOU choose between conformity to THEIR ways, or get out of the family? Are YOU humbly going back and making repairs? My guess is that each of you has sinned, just like the rest of us. Where would we be but for the grace of God, and Spirit-filled parents who have practiced God's grace?!!

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  62. To Matthew,

    What do you know about venom and lies? LOL! You are just as ignorant, brainwashed and FAKE as the rest of 'them'.

    What about the people your father has alienated? Good people! People that graduated from "his" college. How can you begin to explain that?

    I wonder how many facts you father has twisted for HIS own selfish gains. For instance, What ever happenend to the money from the college that was sold in Altona. Is it safely nestled in some American bank account with the rest of his nest egg???

    If Laura is lying (which I highly doubt) then she has learned from the best.

    There is definately a form of godliness there, but absolutely no power. I have heard about the apparent "Revival" that broke out in the church when a certain guest preacher came. It is funny to me that this "revival" has had to come by way of a guest preacher rather than the original preacher. But wait a minute, Where's the revival now? Don't you think if revival really did come to the church it would have spread a little further than JUST a few members. LOL! What a JOKE!

    You wanna talk about people not enduring sound doctrine? OK! Lets park there awhile. The church leadership is full of their own doctrines. For instance, The possibility that the Virgin birth Scentificallly may not have happened. Concerning certain chromosomes (the "teacher" said) "it is possible Christ may not have had a virgin birth."
    Wow! that was an enlightening College and Career class. I was fed heresy that day along with others who remember that. And what an ungodly way to teach a sunday school lesson. Yet when some of the students went to your father with their concerns, they were told to bring him proof. WOW! WHITED SEPULCHES! Full of dead mens bones.

    There is most certainly a lack of righteousness in the leadership. But is it any wonder? They are merely reflecting the actions of the "man on top".

    In order for revival to truly come your father will have to make many wrongs right. Not JUST with Laura. Many know that to be true.

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  63. I wonder what PMS has to say for himself.

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  64. Unless I'm mistaken, he has already posted a comment here

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  65. Lets look at this as a mystery novel.
    We have the Pastor praying death upon his daughter for insubordination,hardly a thing that most parents would do.
    We have a deacons wife praying for death,hardly a thing that a deacons wife would do.
    Unless of course they were both trying to conceal the same thing,a minour indescretion,no,couldn,t be.

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  66. It's probably the long winded one. Disguised to look like someone eles.

    ...He has and would use the word "dilusional".

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  67. dilusional......


    oops I used that word too.

    now poeple will think that I Pastor Sullivant


    come on, GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE

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  68. Why does everyone call him Pastor? He's human, just like the rest of us.

    Suppose he fixed cars for a living, would we call him Mechanic Mike?

    It's just another way to put a man on a pedestal.

    All of us have the same opportunity for truth than anyone else, including Mike.

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  69. blainer... sort of wish you had a blog... it would be EPIC!!!!!

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  70. winkler: full of christians that persecute christians.....amen to blainer!!! why is it up to Laura to fix things? no matter who's to blame, (there's enough to go around) at least she's opened the door, if her ignorant family hadn't slammed it shut with their 'holier than thou' bullshit, maybe we wouldn't have to call or 'pray' for their burial.

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  71. To all you Laura-bashing alleged Christians out there, ESPECIALLY you Baptist-churchians, I should like to point out that surely the Grand Puppeteer would disapprove of your participation in such Tomfoolery. Why are you even here? I assure you, judging and condescending people can be done a lot more effectively out in the community than it can sitting at your computer and reading this blog, so stop wasting everyone’s time with your self-righteous, tunnel-vision bullcrap and start converting the masses like the “Master” commands you!

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  72. to travis peters: you call us a harsh bunch? and then go on to insult Laura like you're a prepubescent five year old!?! you're a perfect example of what attends that cult. by the way, do you remember God sending David to war and commanding him to slaughter EVERYBODY in that particular city? ask yourself this travis, are you currently residing in that "city" sunday mornings? or wednesday nights? yup, good idea posting your name. watch yourself man, i got this girls back!!!

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  73. Wow...nothing like stirring the pot, eh, Laura girl. Good for you! Its about time someone finds a backbone and stands up to this "organization". Someone earlier spoke of a "file" Mike keeps...yep, know about this one. Someone stated he manipulates people after aiding them financially and keeps tabs...yep, experienced that one, too. Someone says he uses the phrase, "Look at my track record."...not only have we heard that multiple times, but I have the emails to prove it. Yep, I, too, have a "file"...been collecting for over 10 years. Mike is glorified in his own mind and believes himself invincible. Amusing,eh. I feel sorrow for the pain you feel as this man is your father...however, being the "sperm donor" does not make someone a dad. I know your story back to front, things that you may not even realize I know, and you are completely justified and on target with what you have shared so far. This man is building his "kingdom on earth" at the expense of anyone who stands in his way or challenges him. People like to make the statement, "What a man of God! People get saved every single day there!"...well, my reply is, "God even used an a-- to speak to Balaam." God's Word will not return void no matter who uses it. Truth is truth! At this point, my "file" is not a "box of bitterness" but merely a form of protection if my family is ever brought under Mike's persecution again. This particular blog entry regarding bitterness speaks volumes. It does take years to work through scars and some that will never be erased.

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  74. So, a list is what people are looking for? "Proof"? Here's a few "minor" tidbits.

    Mike Jr made this statement at age 15, "I have to set an appointment just to talk to my dad." Referring in pain to the obvious priority of "the kingdom" over his dad's family.

    Anna Heibert said in multiple emails, "I'm not sure why, but my mother was told by Pastor Sullivant to forbid me from talking to you (a close friend who'd been shunned)."

    Pete Reimer (former youth minister) was ordered by Mike to "Keep *-----'s children away from youth group. Don't invite them to youth meetings! I don't want them around!" Referring to another pastor's kids.

    Multiple families from the church were pulled into the office for "meetings and counsel" informing them, "I have a file on -------, and I advise you to keep your family away from ------." After which these families forbade their children to have anything to do with this family and cut all contact overnight. These families include Klassens, Redekops, Heiberts, Jones, Reimers, Theissons, Rempels, etc. And of course, they obeyed as they were told, brainwashing their children and breaking hearts.

    One pastor was aided/sponsored in starting a ministry but then screamed at in the office by Mike for "bankrupting my mission fund!" This "aid" was never asked for and given openly with great flourish only to be demanded in payback behind closed doors.

    Several pastors, preachers, and Godly men were "fired" from teaching at the college when Mike found he could not or no longer control them or their families.

    Mike Sullivant told a Godly pastor that his wife was demon possessed because she was overweight.

    Mike told another pastor that the reason a particular and severe tragedy happened in this pastor's family was because he was "out of the will of God", indicating MIKE himself knows all. Really?

    Mike has spread endless lies over the years, some so blatent it was shocking that followers actually believed. He creates these "files" and has/will send them to those he wants to convince to turn against others. He attempted several times to destroy a fellow pastor's family and

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  75. Cont: sent (uh oh...his favorite) an "open letter" to multiple pastors slandering this Godly man. Thankfully, these pastors are Godly and can spot a snake instantly. They simply destroyed the letters and lifted this persecuted man and his family up by support and prayers.

    I could go on and on if need be. Its very clear in a few of the Pro-PMS comments the brainwashing continues. (sigh) None so blind as they who will not see.

    "Vengence is mine saith the Lord...I will repay." Those scarred and wounded by this man, remember this verse. Seek not vengence but "Pray for your enemies. Do good to them that hurt you and despitefully use you. Bless them that curse you." Leave Mike and his minions to God. He can do a lot better job of setting the record straight.

    Bless you, Laura, for forgiving and showing love in spite of all the pain and hurt. Like the old saying goes, "there will always be haters". Hold your head up high, girl. God is on your side.

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  76. And the uprising has begun.

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  77. Wow, what a control freak! Did something happen in his past to contribute to this craziness? What is the rest of his family like? Good grief!

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  78. anonymous @ February 4, 2011 11:28 PM
    Most of Travis' post was a quotation from an earlier comment.

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  79. I'm so saddened by this blog. There is a woman seperate from her family involved here and it hopefully will be reconciled, no matter what you think about her or her father. I many of you want to drag your own issue into the matter and make it a case for exposing, and so many of you have made your offense cross over into this matter. I realize you all think that is becuase his evil is so wide spread and you're doing the world a favour, but I am shocked at how little understanding you all show in regards to what is dealt with as a pastor. I mayself have warned friends to stop letting their chilren hang around with someone when I know that child will be a bad influence..and I'm not a pastor. A pastor guards the flock and is accountable to do so. And if you think every comment he makes to someone in warning is becuase he is only evil and not trying to help, that is so naive. These are the same attitudes that always know what the president should have done...so futile to think that they understand even half of the matter, and potentials involved. All your personal perceptions are irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that no matter what a pastor may say to someone you must be aware that you do not know all the facts as to why he may have said that. And all the swearing and name calling (ie. PMS) on the part of the haters of pastor Sullivant are making you less and less believable. And the comment that he's human and should be called Mike...you don't believe in the office of a pastor, or you just think he is disqualified? Either way you don't sound biblical in talk. And all the mention of LOVE. Any practicing Christian knows that sometimes love is tough, and a similar parallel can be seen in pastoring. Protecting and leading can be misunderstood. The comments here sound like people ought to just let children choose everything, and pastors ought never warn anyone. Even if you say/claim something has directly transpired between you and the PVBC church leadership, I can't take that as proof to hate that church or pastor. I've been around long enough to know that people when they want to do something foolish, don't see it and get mad, especially if sin is involved. I am also saddened that some posters have posted names of people without their permission - how rude and unethical. This is the internet and although there is free speech...there should be respect to those that may not want their name posted for them! I am not convinced that all the offended ones have done their biblical part in a biblical way in confonting pastor Sullivant on their offenses. Not by the level of spirituality that is implied in their unpeaceful posts. Truly vengeance is mine saith the Lord...but it gets in our flesh to seem right and almost fun to help God out with blabbing what you think, especially when you sincerely think you are right. I do believe God can figure out this situation, and we don't need to fight for our rights. If you are happy in the church you've chosen, have peace. If the PVBC attenders are happy at PVBC, have peace. And I hope that in regard to Laura and her family ONLY and that situation ONLY, that even she is saddened by what has transpired, and will one day out of a pure conscience undefiled by all the other offenses that may or not be relevant...just commune with God in her own heart, and finally have peace.

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  80. He's definitely not qualified: I used "-" to highlight why

    1Ti 3:1-7
    This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
    -A bishop then must be blameless-, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
    Not given to wine, -no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler,- not covetous;
    -One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
    (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) -
    -Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. -
    -Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. -

    Tit 1:6-16
    If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, -having faithful children not ACCUSED of riot or unruly.-
    -For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry,- not given to wine, -no striker, not given to filthy lucre;-
    But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
    Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
    For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
    Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
    One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
    This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
    Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
    Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
    They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

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  81. John 13:35
    "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

    I hope an unbeliever doesn't browse upon this page. I sure wouldn't want to be a Christian, if I wasn't one already!

    Disclaimer: I'm not brainwashed right now. I'm fully aware. And yes, my name is Candace Grenier, not another anonymous.

    Pastor Sullivant is a fantastic preacher of the Word. PVBC is really a place where you can grow in the Lord. All you former PVBC members, you know I'm right. You grew there too, I'm sure. Nothing compares. We've expereinced the "comparable".

    Right now, the Devil is attacking someone whom the Lord is using. I'm sure there isn't a blog with this much "heat" about any other Pastor (or church) in this town. That is because the Lord is using Pastor Sullivant. Many other Pastors in the area are not effective, thus not a target for the Devil's attacks.

    The church is a blessing to our family. Period.

    Our family has never been deceived by Pastor Sullivant. I have always found Pastor and Mrs. Sullivant to be tenderhearted and patient. Can you imagine dealing with people each and every day?? We shouldn't be so quick to critisize until we have walked in his shoes. Have some grace and mercy. Bashing a pastor or a church does NOTHING to help the cause of Christ.

    For those of you who know. We left PVBC once. We have since been back for 5 years now. I have been through things, so the Lord can give me mercy and understanding. I praise the Lord for every harship he's ever given me, including post-partum depression, an autistic child, AND the experience of being "cut off" from someone who felt I wasn't right with the Lord. I'm afraid of the proud, arrogant person I would be if the Lord didn't allow these trials and hurts in my life.

    Pastor Jeff (who has also been a huge blessing to PVBC) just preached a sermon on "Mercy". I would love to see our church members show more love and mercy...myself included. Our church would be REVOLUTIONIZED.

    Truth be told, I'm afraid to invite guests for how they may be treated. Of course, not at first, but within time you will be. If you don't do as everyone else, you will be ostersized. Sad. Very, very sad.

    And (as another writer wrote), it's not Pastor Sullivant who treats people poorly in this regard. It's the rest of us! We don't know how to communicate with someone who doesn't talk/act/dress JUST LIKE US! The community is full of people who AREN'T LIKE US! Some who need the Lord, and (gasp), some who are born again believers TOO!

    Continued...

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  82. Continued...
    We are in our little bubble, and some (not all) of us think we are the "Spiritually Elite". No wonder people hate us!!

    I'm not trying to get all "ecumenical" here, but sometimes we should "follow after the things that make for peace." I think it would bring so much healing. Furthermore, we would be much more attractive to outsiders!

    We need to be careful of our condecending attitudes, disguised in the "spirit of love".

    I'm preaching to myself here too! It's so easy to get this mentality, that "I'm better than other Christians, because the Lord has shown me some things he hasn't shown you." Shame on me.

    As adults, we need to show more mercy, and we need to teach our children that as well. . It's a good lesson for kids to (sometimes) be different. Dare to be a Daniel! I had to do that a LOT growing up.

    I do understand separation too. I suppose it is a difficult situation, because we have to draw the line somewhere.

    As a parent, I hope and pray that my children will heed our advice and guidance while they're under our authority. There is so much hurt and heartache that can happen with one wrong decision made during these times. Laura, I'm sure that what you preceived as a controlling Father, was really one who loved you so much. Maybe he didn't express it in a way that made you "feel the love", but if he didn't love you, he wouldn't have cared what you did during that time.

    We really need to lift up the name of Jesus.
    That is why we are here on this earth.

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  83. People at PVBC can continue to "drink the koolaid". That's a choice they make. There is a lot of sin in the lives of the leadership at PVBC and sin in the camp. First of all that sin needs to be confessed openly, dealt with and things made right. There are damaged people, broken families and sin going back years. May the Lord withdraw all blessing until the mess is cleaned up. Yes, a lot of people are anonymous because of and due to the track record of PMS. There is a lot of fear out there and because of the damaged lives and fear of reprisal, most are and will be anonymous.

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  84. Awesome story. My old man goes to this church. I can see now where he gets some of his bull shit ideas from. Any way this was an awesome read. Hope things continue to go well for you.


    - Jordan

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  85. It is all fun and games till someone looses an eye--- than we should have an MCC sale

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  86. What an amazing post Candace! If only everyone was as discerning as you as to how we are to present ourselves to the world as Christians. Hat's off to you for being brave enough to post your name, what a balanced view :)

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  87. Had a thought this morning in response to our 6-comment novelist:

    The anonymous ignoramous stated that ex-PBVC'rs wander from church to church and aren't stable human beings.

    I believe there may be some truth to this, at least for a time while these folks heal from being badly scorched by so-called believers.

    PVBC presents itself as a refuge and pillar of the truth. Most folks that end up there were looking for something more than their situation offered and find within PVBC a group of sincere and seemingly caring people. They leave their church, get baptized and thereby forsake father, mother, brother, sister.

    It takes a couple of years and those that actually open their Bible and read it while the pulpit is beaten like a drum and amens ring from the crowd, find that it just doesn't add up. There's too much bondage in what's being preached.

    So, they share a little with their new friends... some tell them to be careful what they say, others outright say that 'the man of God' can't be wrong. Puzzlement envelopes as there's no explanation given, just summarily told to hold the preacher's line.

    Most remain comfortable in this situation for a long time, trying to quietly show the truth to those that will listen, while others choose to walk away. It's those that share and undermine the pastor's rule that are eventually publicly burned; called heretics and worse.

    The only doctrine that a PVBCer can publicly espouse is that of the pastor's. True, I've seen a handful of exceptions to this, but only in areas that don't inhibit the pastor's ability to keep the coffers and pews full.

    There are a lot of Scriptural words to describe this and I'll let you pick the ones you like best.

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  88. This all reminds me of a situation like this in my own life: I had a whole herd of chickens that I needed to get to old old New Mexico but I could not leave cause everyone was hating on me. I did not know what to do and deadlines were fast approaching. Some haters were all about "yer chickens r ugly" while others were spreadind hurt but sayin "thems feathers smell like poo". I just wanted to give it all up and have some chicken noodle soup. But something somewhere deep inside of me, right next to my liver just wouldn't let me stop. With hundreds of little chickens littering the road from those who have tried and failed before, I grabbed my curling broom, tied it to the front of my snowmobile, let out a blood curtling "SWWWEEEEEEEPPPPPP", and off I was-- look out haters!!! I was making good time and all of the sudden before you knew it I went of course and landed up right in the middle of a game of Whack Bat! Now I know what you are thinking-- "what could be wrong with taking in a little game of Whack Bat?" Have you ever seen what flaming pine cones can do to organic chickens? Lets just say that it smells like thanksgiving dinner with roasted cranberries. To compound the problem I was all out of two stoke oil!!! So you know what I did? I took all the hate, squeezed out all the juices, mixed it with some words of love and vola-- two stroke oil- no bull- true story. So I took a big drink, pored the rest in the tank and schzaam- off I was. Now I know what you are all thinking but don't worry, I am getting to that. The score was 10-8 for the visitors. I left all the hares in a big cloud of two stroke oil smoke. One of my chickens got too close to the exaust pipe and after letting a yelp she gave up the ghost. That was very saddening to me and I was overcome with grief but I was hungry and she had developed a nice sear on one side so I gobbled her up and spit out the bones and again I was off to old New Mexico. Long story short- if you're hungry, smoke out some haters and pipe yourself some drumsticks and it will all be o.k.

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  89. What kind of snowmobile was it?

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  90. green one, why do you ask?

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  91. Btw, should hear about the time I had to take a load of eskimos to the Eskimo pie world pie eating championships.

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  92. can you tell it please? Does it have any haters gettin the hate smoked out of them? peace out.

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  93. Man do I ever miss my brother-in-law Bill's sense of humor, I'm not being sarcastic, I really do :)

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  94. Get out of here!!!! you have had to put up with haters hatin on Colonial Sanders finest? Me too!! that has happened to me every day. But I did not know that you could love the hate outta haters with two stroke oil. Fantastic! Stand up and cheer out load during the closing comments. I was moved to tears! Bravo Bravo

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  95. He must be a funny dude

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  96. thats a load of crock... no visiting team could ever lead 10-8! learn yer rulebook

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  98. Im not sure why you commented as Anomnymous when people known who you are IE someone calling you Bill their brother in-law. So all of a sudden you are no longer ANONYMOUS. I'm not really sure what your story was about I found it hard to read due to the structure, grammatical errors, and poor spelling. I'm sure most of this is due to you being overly excited about something, however no one knows what. However most internet browsers these days have built in spell check and notify you if your words are in ERROR so you can quickly fix them in a matter of seconds which apparently you did not have. Unfortunately it only finds errors with your spell check not your analogies or mind set. I feel I have said enough for now so good day sir.

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  99. people need to love more, like this man who went to all this trouble to safley deliver his chickens to the Plant in Ohio

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  100. **New Mexico... sorry, my eyes were welled up tears and could read the logistics

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  101. bruce the kangaroo farmerFebruary 5, 2011 at 2:11 PM

    I agree with crispix, lets all listen up and learn some lovin from the feather farmer- cheers

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  102. there is alot of love in the err

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  103. During the time when your curling broom was tied to your snowmobile... was there ever a time when you were in a "corner"? Also did your curling broom double as a "talking stick"?

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  104. To my Dear sweet Candace,

    If you only REALLY knew!!!!

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  105. Okay, where is Laura and her story in all of this? I hope we are being respectful of her blog space. And I hope Laura is safe, and will soon speak again.

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  106. Pastor Dell used to be my friend and pastor, I believe his prayers have finally been answered. May God give you the desires of your heart. Thank you for your boldness.

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  107. PLEASE! Unless you know how to properly form a sentence and use 5th grade English, please ... PLEASE do not post.

    Also, for those that say that Laura, (age 30 & married) is still in rebellion, then you would have to have the same opinion of the precious & holy PMS. Does anyone know his situation with HIS parents? Ha! Dig deep, make some phone calls, view some paperwork & emails (since there is BEYOND oodles of proof) and find out what he is doing to "honor his father & mother" =)

    Also, to the Anonymous February 5, 2011 7:35 AM who is so "saddened" by this blog; "PMS" isn't name calling, it's initialing. It stands for Pastor Mike Sullivant. Ok? Perhaps the next time you read this blog you can have someone hold your hand. That way you'll feel more ... comforted.

    See? An "enter" button does exist. I've used it to make sentences. May the rest of you wash, rinse & repeat.

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  108. GOOD POINT Truth Chica! He has been a bad boy!

    I guess he's getting only what's been coming to him! But, he's dug himself so deep into his own dung pile it will be interesting to see how he covers this one up.

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  109. Helene 'Elias' WelchFebruary 5, 2011 at 4:33 PM

    I would like to begin by saying that I am very proud of Laura for telling her story and forgiving those who have hurt her. I think its about time. I'm very happy that you are happily married with a family.

    Keep up the good work of posting the truth - sadly I believe that this is the first time the truth is being told about what happened.

    John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    I would like to offer some hope to:

    1. People who may never had a personal relationship with God.
    2. Those who have attended Church for years but never grown closer to God.
    3. People who have been hurt by their Church family.
    4. Those who still attend PVBC.
    5. People who previously attended PVBC.
    6. Or people like me who had the misfortune of believing that the Christ I saw preached and lived out in the lives of the leadership starting with PMS, deacons, youth leaders etc & members of PVBC. was the same Christ in the Bible.

    I attended PVBC for over 10 years of my life. I made the decision years before I turned 18 that the second I was of age I wouldn't attend PVBC which I believe is a cult. I was true to my word and I feel very blessed to have most of my family see the truth and also no longer attend PVBC.

    Because of what I saw and lived through at PVBC I wanted nothing to do with God for 2 years of my life. That is 2 years I will never get back. I am so grateful that I spent some time in Texas with people that lived their Christianity in a way that I had never seen before.
    It was there that I entertained the idea that maybe not all people that professed to be Christians are the same and that not all churches are alike.

    I am closer to God now than any other time in my life and continue to grow in the Lord daily. I have forgiven those at PVBC although I pray that they will search their hearts before they hurt more people.

    I would just like to say that what goes on at PVBC is not of Christ. READ & STUDY the Bible and you will be surprised at how non legalistic Christ is:)

    Helene 'Elias' Welch

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  110. Amen Helene! (Can I do that here?)

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  111. If we use the same standards for PMS and HIS parents how would he rate? When is the last time he has talked to his parents? Years!!!!!!

    I know Mike.

    Please Laura, continue your side of the story.

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  112. Pointer of ObviousnessFebruary 5, 2011 at 6:06 PM

    you'll have to excuse Bill, he has insomnia.

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  113. Yes, please keep comments on topic, guys. Who gives a shit about feather farmers and chickens! Really! Don't abuse Laura's blog. Go get your own!

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  114. So Mike, what you going to do? Close the church? continue with the noble cause of helping people with 'righteousness'? name-call and lie about the people that don't support you? make the accusations in private church meeting? You should probably pray about your next leading of the spirit. Your following is a harsh bunch. You've lead them in this...you better be 100 percent sure of yourself.

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  115. According to everything I have read about your blog I would have to say that all I see is a SELFISH, SPOILED BRAT WHO COULDN'T HAVE HER OWN WAY!! As for all of you claiming to know things about the PVBC, and the things that Pastor Sullivant has said....PROVE IT!! Unless you have proof, you're nothing but gossipers and slanderers! I agree 100% with the author of the cont'd comments. GROW UP AND BE A REAL MOM!! TEACH YOUR GIRLS TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY BEING A GOOD EXAMPLE!!

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  116. Oh one more thing....If you're claiming to have forgiven your dad than perhaps you should actually prove your sincerity and go talk to him!! Unless your scared that the real truth will be revealed and you'll be exposed for the lies you have posted. If your thinking is that you have nothing to prove so you don't need to talk to him, than why post stuff on here? Isn't that what you are doing? Trying to prove yourself? Your so called innocence? If you're truly following God's word than follow this: Matthew 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
    24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

    So how many times have you brought a gift to the altar without reconciling first? To all the other "Laura followers" perhaps you should take your own advice and read YOUR Bible also: "Matthew 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."

    Perhaps you are being deceived!

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  117. Sterk Jason & Laura
    204-326-9461
    5-6-7 SE
    Friedensfeld, MB

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  118. We ARE being decieved.... By YOU, my dear Sully.

    To the long winded cont'd:

    Who else other than a "preacher" that couldn't sleep, has the time and correct spelling to write a 6 comment novel at 9:45 on a Friday MORNING?

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  119. The following definition for SPOILED BRAT from:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiled_brat

    "A spoiled child (also called a spoiled brat, spoilt child or spoilt brat) is a child that exhibits behavioral problems from overindulgence by his or her parents."

    So the finger points back to the authority on top, wouldn't you say?

    Laura, I do not have any PVBC background, but well remember fragments of your story going around all over town in the evangelical churches years ago when you were shunned by your parents. I did not encounter one person pointing their finger at you, but everyone I talked to was stunned at the unloving and unfair attitude of your dad. May our loving God shower you with strength and courage in the days to come as you continue to give every day over to Him!

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  120. Those of you that are not believing Laura, and following the teachings of the PVBC and Mike Sullivant are posting here asking for proof. How is one to show you proof when you are hiding behind "anonymous" just like you are accusing others. I have personally had a negative experience with Mike, and he admitted to what he had done. This admission was made on a recorded phone call. When this PROOF was offered to others involved, they did not want to hear it, but they sure stopped arguing with us.

    I know many wonderful people that attend the PVBC, and am saddened to see how they follow Mike without question. I know that there is only one way to heaven, and that does not involve any man made rules or laws to control my life to their fitting. Mike is known for saying "the pulpit rules the pews". The pulpit should guide the pews, not rule them!

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  121. A PMS and/or PVBC hater can't be deceived! They are a truly enlightened group of spiritually free who READ THEIR BIBLES.

    They are legalist and cult experts who LOVE everybody, and never judge...except PMS or PVBC.

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  122. anonymous @ February 5, 2011 7:03 PM
    "Selfish, spoiled brat who couldn't have her own way?"
    Sounds like a more apt description of Grand Master Sulliedvent, provided you add a few more words like "charlatan" and "ego the size of a Goodyear blimp" to the mix.

    And to you and all your friends (I'm assuming there's more than one of you, though there are so many posts that feature that unique blend of arrogance and ignorance there could very well only be one of you), you should really get together and decide if you want people to post evidence or not, because one time you're saying, "Prove it!", and then when someone lists a few things and includes some names, you start squealing that they ought not to use names without people's permission. You can't have it both ways, as pleasurable as you may find it.

    Since I know the trial scenario I mentioned previously will never happen, I have an idea to satisfy your fervent calls for proof and evidence. Perhaps people who have hard evidence (emails, etc) could upload them to a file-sharing site and post a link in the comments section of this blog. It could be our own little Wikileaks. What fun!

    Does this satisfy your unquenchable thirst for evidence? No? Well, then maybe we can apply the biblical quorum to some of the "gossip and slander," you've talked about, and have people share some stories, and if at least two or three people "establish every word," then we'll be able to safely move some of the "slander" into the "truth" column. Deal?

    Now, who wants to go first?

    P.S. And to the person who posted Laura's personal info, um, how can I put this nice, understated way? Oh, I know: you're an immature asshole.

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  123. some people I know could ride a broomstick late in october

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  124. Ronnie, you should stick to makin knackzeut

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  125. Oh dear Candace Grenier. did PMS tell you to say that: "Right now, the Devil is attacking someone whom the Lord is using. I'm sure there isn't a blog with this much "heat" about any other Pastor (or church) in this town. That is because the Lord is using Pastor Sullivant. Many other Pastors in the area are not effective, thus not a target for the Devil's attacks." WOW! seriously!?? Are you insulting my preacher?!! don't appreciate that one bit! He and the church have brought me closer to God than I've ever been. Brainwashed people can't tell there brainwashed, that's what makes them BRAINWASHED!

    All truth comes out, sooner or later. You can't hide from it, it's always lurking. Looks like it took 12 years, but it did.

    Many of us, have and always will see PVBC as a cult, well before Laura came out with her story, and it's the only church I've had a BAD GUT FEELING ABOUT.
    You're pamphlets need to STOP my children will never go to those evening event.

    Anyway, getting of track here. Way to go Laura, for being BOLD! God looks for Bold, unrelenting people that will stand up for what's right! Keep on girl!

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  126. ("According to everything I have read about your blog I would have to say that all I see is a SELFISH, SPOILED BRAT WHO COULDN'T HAVE HER OWN WAY!! As for all of you claiming to know things about the PVBC, and the things that Pastor Sullivant has said....PROVE IT!! Unless you have proof, you're nothing but gossipers and slanderers! I agree 100% with the author of the cont'd comments. GROW UP AND BE A REAL MOM!! TEACH YOUR GIRLS TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY BEING A GOOD EXAMPLE!!
    February 5, 2011 7:03 PM
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    Oh one more thing....If you're claiming to have forgiven your dad than perhaps you should actually prove your sincerity and go talk to him!! Unless your scared that the real truth will be revealed and you'll be exposed for the lies you have posted. If your thinking is that you have nothing to prove so you don't need to talk to him, than why post stuff on here? Isn't that what you are doing? Trying to prove yourself? Your so called innocence? If you're truly following God's word than follow this: Matthew 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
    24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

    So how many times have you brought a gift to the altar without reconciling first? To all the other "Laura followers" perhaps you should take your own advice and read YOUR Bible also: "Matthew 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."

    Perhaps you are being deceived!")

    Clearly, this whole blog has seriously ruffled your feathers. Hit a nerve?! Uh, oh...is your little "club" and sense of "belonging" getting shaken? Oh My Goodness!! You actually may have to look to God to provide your security and happiness and not your favorite cult. Every time you post, you scream how insecure and scared you are. Get real and go find your own blog.

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  127. Whoooaaaa!!! Wish there was a big "LIKE" button on here.

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  128. Looks like another PVBC sheep defending her leader. LOL!

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  129. Hear, Hear, PVBC forecast:

    PMS will play the victim, he will request no one from his church visit this blog, he might even cry!

    He doesn't want anyone to read what Laura is going to post next. He for sure does not want anyone else coming out of the woodwork (perhaps old pastor friends???), the more that people defend him, the more truth will be revealed.

    The era of TRUTH has begun!

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  130. I'd like to know why, if Laura is sure of innocence, is she not commenting to anything being written on here? If she says she is not bashing the church or her father...which by the way this is about a father/daughter relationship, not about a church, does she not do the right thing and tell people how wrong it is to gossip and slam other people and that we should be "exhorting one another". And has it ever crossed anyone's mind here that people are not being blind followers but are following Christ's word? What are you going to do Laura when your daughter's grow up and want to run off with a man you don't approve of? Are you not going to do everything in your power to protect her? Is that not what your dad did? I, as a parent, would do everything I could to prevent my daughter from dating someone who I did not have a good feeling about. All you who say you've had a bad feeling about the church...um hello!! That's how Laura's felt about the boy she wanted to be with! And all of you Laura followers, how can you be so sure she's telling the truth? You're believing it based on your own hateful feelings about a Pastor, and a church. I agree with Candace Grenier's post. It's written in the bible...which by the way we DO read, that the world hates us because they hated Jesus first. And people that are trying to live right will be persecuted, just like Jesus was!! Laura I'm sure you are seeing all these posts, can't you see that what you started here is nothing but a hate post?? People arguing with each other constantly! How is that of God?

    And by the way...just because we know how to spell and use intelligent words doesn't mean we are the Pastor putting posts on here! Must suck for you that there are actually people out there that have more intelligence than you.

    People that have left the church only left because they have pride of life issues...like Melanie...which is by the way Melanie Wiens of Winkler. These people are feeling convicted by the Holy Spirit to change things in there lives and instead of listening to the Holy Spirit, they take it the wrong way because they allow satan to put thoughts in their minds that it's the church, and not themselves. Grow up all of you!! This website is not doing anything for the cause of Christ. How has this helped anyone? All I see is division, strife, conflict, and hate! You should be trying to lead people to the saving knowledge of Christ...not bashing a Pastor or a church.

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  131. People have left because of the sin of PMS and the week-kneed and spineless deacons. They need to openly confess their sin publically. They know what the sins are. Stand up for righteousness and truth for once. Wake up people of PVBC and quit "drinking the koolaid" or you will end up at Sullivant Town and that probably won't be in South America.

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  132. Hello Helen Banman, I know it's you because you're the only one who wears pants & actively serves at PVBC. You must tithe a lot to let his "convictions" slide for one family.

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  133. For those of you that want proof that PMS is a liar,how much proof do you need in order for you to confront PMS and leave the PVBC.How many pieces with PMS,s signature,showing him to be corrupt do you need. Please,post your name and E mail address and the proof will be sent to you.If you don,t have the guts to do that then shutup.

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  134. My name is Melanie Wiens.

    Candace, you are one brave lady. Good for you.

    Blainer, sometimes the one with the ideas is the one who implements them. A forum is a good idea.

    Would Anonymous who had the nerve to put MY NAME in his or her comment have the courage to put up his or her own name? You are bold enough to use my name, and too cowardly to use your own. Your post was vindictive and attacking and does not do anything for the cause of Christ (oh, wait! You thought you were!). Answer me this: how was your last post useful to the cause of Christ?

    You can call me or even stop by my house and ask me to my face. That is not anonymous and requires some guts.

    To all of you (and me included) who are now using Laura's blog as a forum, let's agree on a few things:

    BEHAVE YOURSELF. Comments on both sides are getting nasty.
    WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE. An unsaved person may go to hell because of things we say here. The internet is a tool; use it wisely.

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  135. Oh, one more thing. (It's Melanie again.)

    Please do not assume all opposition is persecution. Opposition may be a wake-up call.

    Reproof and rebuke is opposition. How will you know when you are being reproved, if anything uncomfortable is assumed as persecution?

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  136. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.-Edmund Burke

    Joh 2:14-16
    And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
    And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
    And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

    1Pe 4:14-19
    If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
    But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
    Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
    For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
    And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
    Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

    People posting on here are people who have been badly burned by PVBC, these are their stories. I could post all of James 4, many have left quietly and said nothing because they did not want to hurt the cause of Christ.
    How long must the hurt continue before we stand up as christians and point out the wolf in sheep's clothing? How many have left and said they would never darken the door of a church again because of PVBC?
    How many times has PMS quoted the "bad apple" story? Is it not time we got rid of the bad apple???

    2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    How many more people can be reached when we get rid of the cancer inside the body of Christ. The alter is open to EVERYONE.

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  137. Blainer, I'm game for a forum, facebook group, whatever. We could call it "Christ killed Religion".

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  138. well here I am after being told my family name has been involved in this. yes i am the son of a staff member and have been at this church for 16yrs. so just to clear it up and by "IT" i mean the proof that includes my name in the "here is proof post" there was no meeting where by we were forbidden to have any contact with whoever this anonymous person was talking about. i am not afraid of anyone knowing who i am or that i was here or anything about me but if you are going to talk about me in this be man enough to talk to me about what you are saying about me. I AM JASON HIEBERT I LIVE IN WINKLER MB 362-2907. email gtjay2@gmail.com. thanks

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  139. Hi my name is Danselle. First of all I am not ashamed to use my name on here. Second of all to all PMS follwers, the real issue is not that Laura ran away or her "rebellious" attitude. There are much deeper issues here. Issues you will not see because you are not ready to see them. If you do not support this blog quit posting on here. Also...there are other stories of people that have been booted out of the church. Shunned. Church disciplined. Enlightened. Set free. Whatever you want to call it. My family was one. We were there from day one. We were there when the Sullivant's pulled into Winkler the first time. My parent's sacrificed hours of their time into the fulfilling the church's and the college's vision. My dad was in leadership. As soon as the vision became off course and the vision was called into question, we became a threat. Ironically that is when my dad gave his "resignation" (aka got ousted) from the college and was asked to step down from the ministry. Shortly after we were church disciplined. Do you think that stopped us from going to church there though? NO. We continued to go for months after. Being shunned in our own church. By our own family. Eventually we stopped going because we were not being fed spiritually any more. Anyway, this is not my blog. I just wanted to share that there are many many more families that have been hurt by this church. Finally-Blainer-way to go! Don't know who you are but I like what you have to say.
    P.S. To those of you name dropping (whoever dropped Melanie's name etc.) CLASSY!

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  140. hey blainer...you have such an issue with people posting anonymous...why not come out with YOUR real name? you seem to be very opinionated, so share your name so that people can do an investigation and find out the truth about you too!!

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  141. Do people not realize that no matter which church you attend, no matter who pastors the church, that EVERY church and EVERY pastor will have imperfections? NONE of us are perfect!! If everyone took a real close look at their church and pastor I'm sure you could find something wrong, something you don't like about it. So what's left to do than? Where would we go to church? How do we discern? You can't say by reading your bible because although that is a very good place to look..there are so many different translations out there that a person would get confused going from one church to the next because everyone uses a different translation. So honestly how do you find a good church than?

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  142. you don't know blainer? you can't figure it out? you obviously are not part of PVBC!

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  143. I have been following this blog for a few days now and noticed how people are attacking each after most of them profess to be Christians. Being a Christian means to be "Christ-like" and a lot ot the words I've read hear do not sound like something coming out of Jesus' mouth. Let's try to use this blog in a positive way- to bring healing to those whose hearts have been wounded. Let's remember we can't hate those whom we pray for. If we were to pray for each person before we said something negative about them, we would do a lot of praying!

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  144. Jason, no, you weren't in a meeting with PMS. Your mom was. And why don't you go ask Anna, your sister, about her many emails and snail mail letters post-PMS "church disciplines". Would you like me to forward them to you? Get the facts before you start swinging. Otherwise, you're just going to spin in circles and look silly.

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  145. Seems like Jason is once again trying to be the "Big Man" and get involved in something that is way over his head.

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  146. Jason Hiebert was the Jason I was referring to in my comment (two up).

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  147. To the 4:33 poster, Jesus over turned the tables in the temple. I think that he was not smiling then and made a few people upset! Christ was a fighter for what was right. A enemy of corruption.

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  148. Sooooo...if we really want to make this a forum after all, here's the place to do it.

    www.fundamentalforums.com

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  149. totally true, PMS is as corrupt as they get (well maybe not as bad as Jack Hyles, but he's dead now).

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  150. Danselle,
    You should have remained anonymous.
    Unfortunately, I don't respect what you have to say.

    Last time I heard, you've made yourself a name in town. I won't say what it is, because I'm even too embarrased to say it under an "anonymous" alias.

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  151. Your Worst NightmareFebruary 6, 2011 at 8:08 PM

    BS, you spineless piece of crap! You just won't say it because you like to drop an idea in order to slander someone with no backup to prove it. SOOO typical of you PMS - Wannabe "Christian" hypocrites! "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

    I have Danselle's back. You don't even dare post your name on here if you know what's good for you.

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  152. Chuck Norris' cloneFebruary 6, 2011 at 8:13 PM

    talk about slander! THAT is slander!

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  153. slan·der   
    [slan-der]
    –noun
    1.
    defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
    2.
    a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
    3.
    Law . defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.

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  154. thanks for the offer i would love for you to email me all conversations you have with my family. that is all i have to comment about anything else that you have to say i dont care but i do care that someone who feels the need to remain nameless wants to talk about my family. something i assure you i know more about than you. email and ph # were posted above if you like

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  155. Jonathan SullivantFebruary 7, 2011 at 1:16 AM

    Laura this is your brother Jonathan. When will it Stop! You know Dad did what was wright according to the Bible.Stop all the lying and hate!! How do you think this brings glory to God! I don't think you know what you are doing to the work of Christ!! Its not wright!! You can stop this its not to late!!
    We still Love you and are praying for you every day!!

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  156. I'm pretty sure Jonathan meant "right". =)

    Baptists show their love .... very specially.

    Laura, you are posting facts. The Lord supports truth, and nothing but the truth. Lots of love!

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  157. I have sensed no hate at all and as far as lying...the only lying here is coming from the PMS - Followers.

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  158. A "father" praying for his own child's death is so very sick.

    I hope to read more about how God has led and strengthened you after you left this abusive situation.

    Welcome to the FFF.

    .
    Dr. AmazedbyGrace, Doctorate of Bodacious Babe Burqas, BBB.D.

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  159. To the anonymous post re: Danselle - if you are without sin in your life I guess it might matter whether you respect what Danselle has to say. Everyone has fallen short of the glory of God so if Danselle loses credibility so does everyone else on this blog. The truth remains regardless of your opinion. The fact that you use this blog to kick someone when they're down rather than lift them up or care to know their heart shows you know nothing of Gods grace, mercy and love. This is for Danselle -*"...What have you done that makes you feel unworthy to be part of God’s family? What secret sins from your past are still haunting you and causing you to be discouraged and to feel worthless? If we were asked to choose, we probably would not have chosen Rahab as the one to be saved from Jericho. But God chose Rahab because he loved her. And he loves you just as much. There is nothing that you have done that is so awful that it can separate you from God’s love..."* Maybe you should all pretend your comments are being posted on Jesus' blog...bet they would read alot kinder. Many of these comments are exactly why people (myself included) are turned off by the "Church". Gods people are his Church - YOU - and alot of you are sure making it a very unappealing place to want to be.

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  160. Anonymous said...
    I have sensed no hate at all and as far as lying...the only lying here is coming from the PMS - Followers.
    February 7, 2011 6:12 AM

    12hrs and still waiting for my email of my family involvement in any of this. so who lying obviously the proof post was not from a "follower" just asking? and im not "swinging" at anyone just standing right here all know where i am.

    Anonymous said...
    Seems like Jason is once again trying to be the "Big Man" and get involved in something that is way over his head.
    February 6, 2011 5:14 PM

    To you whoever you are CALL me! all im doing on here is standing for MY family you would do the same if yours got added in here with accusations of involvement. i believe my family is not over my head. Thanks Jason

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  161. It does take a little while to gather it together, Jason. Believe me, the files are deep. I have a scanner and am working on it. Hold your horses. And what's stopping you from asking Anna in the mean time? Or your mom? Could it be you dread hearing the truth?

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  162. Also, I'm not sure who made the comment about "being the 'Big Man", etc...but it was uncalled for and rather rude. Let's keep it real, folks. No need to get ugly.

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  163. Tabitha Bartz FriesenFebruary 7, 2011 at 11:22 AM

    I have watched this site for a while, and I have seen much hurt revealed. I would like to say a few words about church discipline/shunning. Gal 6:1 "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." To everybody on both sides of this fence; have you restored anyone in meekness. My family was shunned around the time Laura "ran away," and I can say there has been no one from PVBC who has tried to talk to my family for any reason including trying "to restore" a brother.

    To those in PVBC, be very careful of the "I'm better, I stayed behind/am still in the church" attitude. Gal 6:1 says to "consider thyself, lest thou also be tempted." The prodigal son's brother stayed behind and had more wrong in his life/attitude then his brother and in the story had no recovery from his sin.

    To those who say "but people are getting saved there"... The Sermon on the Mount was written to the disciples not to the multitudes (Matt 5:1). In this passage Matt 7:21-23 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity." People who sincerely believe they have done God's work are told that God never knew them. It is our responsibility as Christians to make sure what we are told/see/believe lines up with what the Bible says not what a person/pastor says. If the Bible is not our final authority, we have an idol in our life clouding our view of God. We are so privileged in this day and country to have the Bible available to us. When we face Christ, He will hold us accountable for how we obeyed HIM not the pastor or another person.

    The wounds caused by a church leader/pastor/priest are often the hardest wounds to recover from. They take you to the bottom and make you question everything that you have heard or been taught. That is why it is so important to "restore . . . in meekness."

    To those who want to leave but fear "a file." Secrets have power because they are secret. Maybe God wants you to bring the "skeleton" out of the closet, and "free" yourself in that manner.

    Laura, I am proud you are reaching out in a way that is exposing the hurt you have felt (and so many others). May your words help you heal and help others who too have been hurt.

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  164. so all the Laura Followers want Pastor Sullivant to make public all their pasts?

    I believe that is the job of Satan(the accuser of the brethren).

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  165. The sinner is the only one who should air his/her sin not the pastor. That airing may need to be done only to a spouse/a friend/family not to the whole church/community.

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  166. Ok,... enough is enough, tonight when I get off of work I am going to introduce some evidence that will shatter most peoples view on this subject. You have been warned and it may be too graphic for some.

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  167. FYI, the previous poster initialled T.F. is not Tim Friesen, at least not the one in Barrie, Ontario.

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  168. No I'm not, I'm much better looking :)
    And a little more hair upstairs, eh Timmer? lol

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  169. When did they Give a free steak dinner and a bus ride?

    I had to pay for mine and so did everyone that I went with.

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  170. LOL!!! Well you know... all the brain power pushes out all the hair! :)

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  171. I think they are saying a church ought never have a staff Christmas banquet.

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  172. I don't know anyone on here, however, I have read the blog. I have a few comments.

    1) Someone posted that this young lady had wanted to leave home because she didn't want any walls or something to that effect. They seemed to mean that she was rebelling against the rules. Yet, she had wanted to go to PCC to college. That is hardly getting away from the rules. Good grief.

    2) People keep saying things like "no one/place is perfect." This is true. It's the mantra I hear from those who stay in a church I had to leave because the pastor routinely lied about things in the church. Whatever, I won't stay in a place where the leadership isn't doing right.

    3) I hear repeated that "teen years are emotion/hard/difficult." In other words, she was overreacting or misunderstood the situation because she was an emotional teenager. As my daughter would say, bullpuckie. I never misconstrued any situation with my father to be something anywhere near this. I would also add that a truly loving father would seek to bring his daughter to his point of view in love. I know because I have a loving father. No way he would tell me to hit the door or pray for my death.

    I have no fish to fry here, I just find it very interesting and telling to read the posts on here.

    I wish you all well.

    --Roda

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  173. Does anyone knows how much a headlight for a 1995 Dodge Neon Is? Ive looked everywhere! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. My chickens need to go to market.

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  174. Does anyone know a good recipe for chicken noodle soup, Because if i don't get a new headlight light soon im going to have to make some soup!

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  175. Y'all sound like a bunch of hyenas circling its prey and being encouraged to lash out the more hyenas you get on your side. This is an arguement that will never end so why even try to make your point? No one with any discretion will listen to the immature un-Christlike debaters. Fortunately there were some mature Christian adults who said some very true and encouraging things; but the rest sounded like adolescent teenagers who are trying to get even with someone who hurt their feelings.

    So here's a brand new thought that I bet has never crossed any of your PVBC haters minds: Most of you left because you were hurt and felt you had been done wrong by Michael Sullivant, right? So that would make him your enemy, correct? Well...what Bible verse comes to mind? "Love your enemies and PRAY for those that persecute you."

    If you are so right about all the terrible things he did to you, have you ever thought to pray for him? I think that if he were a cold blooded murderer that you would show him more mercy and forgiveness (Oh...but probably with all the outlandlish rumours that go on about him, he probably DID kill someone, people would say of course).

    I have a gut feeling that Laura really would like to be reconciled with her family...or at least see them again here on this earth...but I think that these hateful comments have put an even bigger barrier between her and her family. Reading her siblings' posts reaffirmed that they still love her even though they too were hurt deeply by their older sister for I'm sure they all looked up to her when they were growing up.

    I hope someday there will be a happy ending to this...even though it seems completely hopeless. But with God ALL things are possible.

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  176. One day the Judge will preside over this case and the Light will reveal all the facts, motives, and wrongdoings. Let's leave that to Him eh?

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  177. Adding to Caleb's comment: In the meantime Jesus tells us to "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Matt. 7:15,16

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  178. (KJV) Romans 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

    This is what's happening because of what's posted here.
    I pray that no one rejects God (Jesus) because of
    what is posted here.

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  179. Laura,

    I have known you from a distance since you left the church in winkler.

    I appreciate your openness in posting your experience on this blog.
    I can see how it is a great way to organize your thoughts and come to terms with your past. It has given me greater insite to your trials and I hope this provides what you are looking for.

    Unfortunately, it concerns me that the posts have become so harsh and angry. I am not sure if this was intentional but here it is.

    I support you in your desire to be heard. I also hope the hurt that has come out in the other posts can some how be reconciled as you have come to terms with yours.

    Let each of us choose our way and God judge if it was His will.

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  180. PMS? You have got to be kidding me! We all know what you're implying. Ya, real scriptural. Come on guys!

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  181. Laura, I appreciate you being able to share your story, but it seems to be breaking people apart more than bringing them to God. In being a follower of Christ I assume you believe that in all you do you long to bring glory to God...but however..I feel like this is NOT bringing glory to God..all it does is make people bitter it seems? Bitterness maybe something that you are trying to get over...but there seems to be a lot of underlying bitterness in your blog and evidently a lot of your readers aren't over it quite. I'm sorry to hear about the pain you've had to go through in your life, I'm only 20 and I can't imagine having to go through what you have gone through in your life time. But perhaps this is something that is between you, God and your family. I'm sorry I don't mean to offend you by any means. Maybe I'm also reading into this wrong, but there seems to be a lot of brokenness still existing.As much as I'd like to debunk religion and the lies that exist within it and promote a relationship with Jesus I just don't think this quite does it.It's also just as much as I'd love for people to follow the right path and choose Love and grace for people....I'm just really struggling to believe here that this is the best way.. I believe that instead through our actions and choosing to love people, only then people will see the amazing love of God. All the best in your future and wherever God leads.

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  182. Laura,
    Just heard about your post today through a friend of mine, and I was so thrilled to hear that you have the courage to speak the TRUTH about your dad & past church life! Friends of ours also left the church around the same time your were trying to leave & my heart broke for you way back then! Glad to hear you're doing well & are raising your kids to love the Lord, despite everything you've been through! God bless you richly and may He continue to give you the courage to speak the truth, and may this truth help others BREAK FREE and bring them to the LIGHT!!

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  183. I find it very telling that many/most of the people who deride and slander Laura that they feel they need to post anonymously. If you really are being honest and truthful then you should be proud to state your name at the very least. Hiding behind anon leads me to believe you are to ashamed of the hurtful things you are saying to state your name. If this is the case, then you should not be saying these things. I can understand if people speak out against the church while attending feel like they need to hide, they don't want to face the ridiculous punishment meted out for the slightest criticism of their cult leader. But really, you others, have the decency to stand behind your comments. Otherwise I can only assume that you have no honor.

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  184. Glad you have the courage to write your blog. I can see how it is helping to heal the things that have happenned to you in your life. I am sorry that so many people have judged you and made so many nasty comments. This is not the way I thought Christians are supposed to be. I do not attend Church because of the hypocrisy that I see in it, but do believe in my own way. I would only wish for a reconciliation with your family if that is what you really want. I tried myself to reconcile with my father after a very long time apart and it did not take long for me to realize what a mistake it was. But whatever happens in your life I wish you and your family the best. God bless you.

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  185. Without love every thing you doesn't amount to anything Were does shuning fit into the picturedo we go our paster as our adviser or do we seek Christ for our adviser

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  186. A voyaging ship was wrecked during a storm at sea and only two of the men on it were able to swim to a small, desert like island.

    The two survivors, not knowing what else to do, agreed that they had no other recourse but to pray to God.

    However, to determine whose prayers should be most effective, they agreed to divide the territory between them and stay on opposite sides of the island.

    The first thing they prayed for was food.

    The next morning, the first man saw a fruit-bearing tree on his side of the land, and he was able to eat its fruit. The other man's parcel of land remained barren.

    After a week, the first man was lonely and he decided to pray for a wife. The next day, another ship was wrecked, and the only survivor was a woman who swam to his side of the land. On the other side of the island, there was nothing.

    Soon the first man prayed for a house, clothes, more food. The next day, like magic, all of these were given to him. However, the second man still had nothing.

    Finally, the first man prayed for a ship, so that he and his wife could leave the island. In the morning, he found a ship docked at his side of the island and boarded the ship with his wife.

    Since none of the other man’s prayers had been answered, he considered him unworthy to receive God's blessings, so he decided to leave the second man on the island.

    As the ship was about to leave, the first man heard a voice from heaven booming, "Why are you leaving your companion on the island?"

    "My blessings are a result of my faith and prayers, since I was the one who prayed for them," the first man answered. "His prayers were all unanswered and so I figured he does not deserve anything."

    "You are sorely mistaken, and are in great debt to him.”

    “How’s that?” the first man asked.

    ”It was his great faith that invoked the blessings, and he prayed that all your prayers might be answered."

    Are our blessings the fruits of our prayers and work alone, or of those of another praying for us? What (and who) are you praying for?

    With obedience come blessings. May all your righteous prayers be answered.

    Thought ya'll must be tied of this junk so I'd post something a little more encouraging. Go ahead haters. Something more for ya to shred. have at it!

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  187. It seems as though some of the new churches were the pastor has ultimate authority grows for a period of time, but this kind of power is not healthy for anybody!The pastor starts to make the rules and uses scripture to back up his ideas, not the other way around. I believe in God and trust in Jesus for for my salvation but Jesus was a humble servant, not forceful and not demanding.He taught that the spirit works in the heart and no man (not the pastor) can coerce us to feel or not to feel the holy spirits requests. We must always bend to the desires of the spirit of God not to any man. All pastors need a board or some kind of governing body who loves the pastors and wants the best for them but is not afraid to challenge them when they are out of line. I believe this is in the best interest of the pastors.Remember we are all prone to temptation.

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  188. *** where have all the posters gone too... Is there another site by chance? If so, it is ok. Or has the threat of the law cooled the heals of some. I'm not sure.. Maybe now that one has to be a little more careful, then people are laying off. That is a good thing. If you cant say anything good then don't say anything at all. Some of you sound like Monday morning quarterbacks, saying wow if only the church had this, and maybe that it would be a good church. And if the teaching isn't your flavour of the month, off you go to start some blog and make more comments.

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  189. My guess is that they had more encouragement to stay away at their Wednesday evening meeting.

    Laura I heard that your husband was there at the last Wednesday evening (when PMS shared his side of the story). Would you or he be willing to share the highlights?

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  190. A modern Day ZealotApril 17, 2011 at 1:50 PM

    Oh you infidel of April 15 7:37AM Take heed of your foolish wisdom for it to,along with you shall fall.You take pride in In What the law is trying to do,Do you forget that God is the ultimate one in Control? Saying Nothing at all is just what you would like,for the fear of the truth being exposed ! Cover up after Cover up Stop denying what is going on .Unless you "truly "are as "clueless" as can be ! I know All about the prayer prayed over Laura for God to take her Life ,and also of a Lady who was dragged up the stairs by her hair in one incident.( same person)I'm know that most of you never even knew that and would deny it. These facts both hit very close to home for me if you know what I mean.

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  191. *** I meant the negative people - where did they stay... I can't imagine what kind of Christian would be involved in the name-calling that was directed here at me.

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  192. Maybe you should ask Laura how many times since that Wednesday he has been in PVBC.

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  193. A Modern Day ZealotApril 21, 2011 at 8:39 PM

    Has anyone ever called out the head of this Church to post his Views ? I know all to well what happens....Nothing he wont comment ! he let's his spies do that for him, AKA "ANONYMOUS" hide...hide...... deny.

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